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Old 06-23-2009, 09:34 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I suppose so.... still too much of a gamble for my taste.

BOS is still the odds on favourite to come out of the East with a healthy KG IMO. Trade or no trade.

I think that they'd be better served by trying to clear some space to sign Sheed for the MLE if that's possible or even eating some luxury tax to get him for a year or 2.

If Stuckey CAN'T run the show it could blow up in their faces.
the fact that Rondo turned out this good is a surprise to everyone IMO.
they won the championship while he was a rookie PG who pretty much played ok... he wasnt spectacular, he didnt blow anyone away really. he did his job and the team around him won it.
i'm pretty sure Stuckey wouldn't have any trouble getting the job done.
he wouldnt be asked to do too much, he would play his own game and distribute.

i think Boston knows that if you have a healthy KG and PP on the floor, anyone can run the PG position. and if you can get a good up and comer like Stuckey and also add Rip and Prince - you will make yourself 10 times better.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:49 AM   #22 (permalink)
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the fact that Rondo turned out this good is a surprise to everyone IMO.
they won the championship while he was a rookie PG who pretty much played ok... he wasnt spectacular, he didnt blow anyone away really. he did his job and the team around him won it.
i'm pretty sure Stuckey wouldn't have any trouble getting the job done.
he wouldnt be asked to do too much, he would play his own game and distribute.

i think Boston knows that if you have a healthy KG and PP on the floor, anyone can run the PG position. and if you can get a good up and comer like Stuckey and also add Rip and Prince - you will make yourself 10 times better.
You sure about that though?

Look at what Rondo did against CHI in the first round.... the kid AVERAGED a triple-double.

He's turned into a lot more than a role player.

BOS also has a nice blend right now of vets and good young players. I'm not sure that it's wise to ruin that in a swing for the fences move that could backfire. God knows that Rip, Stucky and Prince didn't look good this past year after Billups left.
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Rondo isnt as great as everyone is making him seem, look at his team. This is a terrible trade for Detroit because it doesnt leave them with anybody they want except for rondo and a few players on their bench. they will rely on the draft and free agents to make their team better and i dont know if thats gonna work. I can see them getting rid of rip but stuckey and prince, i dont know. Stuckey is really good and he is still young.
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Rondo isnt as great as everyone is making him seem, look at his team. This is a terrible trade for Detroit because it doesnt leave them with anybody they want except for rondo and a few players on their bench. they will rely on the draft and free agents to make their team better and i dont know if thats gonna work. I can see them getting rid of rip but stuckey and prince, i dont know. Stuckey is really good and he is still young.
And Rondo isn't?

Can you honestly tell me that you weren't impressed by him this post-season?
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And Rondo isn't?

Can you honestly tell me that you weren't impressed by him this post-season?
No, rondo is young and i was impressed with him, im just saying Detroit is giving up too early on stuckey because allen and hamilton are both washed up and cancel each other out in the deal. So its left with prince and stuckey for rondo. If you were detroit, would you actually be willing to do that???
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Stucky isn't a huge dropoff
he can still give you 15/5/5

its not like they're trading for Roko
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Old 06-23-2009, 10:10 AM   #27 (permalink)
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No, rondo is young and i was impressed with him, im just saying Detroit is giving up too early on stuckey because allen and hamilton are both washed up and cancel each other out in the deal. So its left with prince and stuckey for rondo. If you were detroit, would you actually be willing to do that???
DET should blow up their team anyway.... they're not going anywhere now once Sheed leaves (and with Billups already gone).
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If this deal went trough Boston would make out like bandits and win another championship for sure. This trade gives them a young PG, maybe not as good as Rondo but he is definatly getting there. Rip is almost st the same level as Allen, and Prince is ulitmatly the thing that made this deal impossible to happen. If Boston got Prince there becnh woulda been so deep and it woulda been really good. Boston fans woulda pissed themselves in the pants if this went through
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DET should blow up their team anyway.... they're not going anywhere now once Sheed leaves (and with Billups already gone).
Yeah, but at least they will have stuckey and prince to keep. If this trade happened, they will only rondo. Which one would you rather have?
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no idea why you guys are acting like rip is washed up. he's easily as good as ray ray. maybe he doesn't shoot the 3's as well, but he's deadly from the mid range and coming of picks, he can core in traffic, and he's a much better defender.
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at this point in time i'd take Rip over Allen any day of the week.
Allen is pretty much a one-trick pony. and when that one trick isnt working (which it wasnt this postseason) he looks pretty much horrible on the court and is a big time liability.
his D is suspect, his legs are slowing down... once his shot starts getting slower and he ages he'll be a bum.
unfortunately, for jump shooters – their careers end faster than most. and this trend looks to be continuing with RayRay.

Rip will continue to run and bang, hit his shots, move well without the ball and play solid D. he’s younger and more agile then Allen and with a good PG, he will flourish.
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Apparently River called Rondo an almost uncoachable player.
Exactly, and i think this is being overlooked. He's had the same concerns since he was at Kentucky, and there was talk of him being an awful teammate in his first season with Boston. I guess he hasn't matured as much as everyone thought he had, which is why they're balking at giving an extension.
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at this point in time i'd take Rip over Allen any day of the week.
Allen is pretty much a one-trick pony. and when that one trick isnt working (which it wasnt this postseason) he looks pretty much horrible on the court and is a big time liability.
his D is suspect, his legs are slowing down... once his shot starts getting slower and he ages he'll be a bum.
unfortunately, for jump shooters – their careers end faster than most. and this trend looks to be continuing with RayRay.
Huh? Steve Kerr, Brent Barry? I'd say the careers of "jump shooters" last longer than the average player. How can sticking around the perimeter and bending your knees every so often to get a shot up create more wear and tear than what the average player might do?

And actually, Ray Allen's defense is much better than it ever was while he was in Seattle or Milwaukee. He was a lazy defender back in the day but he's had to commit to playing defense in Boston, and it's showed.
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Huh? Steve Kerr, Brent Barry? I'd say the careers of "jump shooters" last longer than the average player. How can sticking around the perimeter and bending your knees every so often to get a shot up create more wear and tear than what the average player might do?

And actually, Ray Allen's defense is much better than it ever was while he was in Seattle or Milwaukee. He was a lazy defender back in the day but he's had to commit to playing defense in Boston, and it's showed.
seriously?
are you bringing up Steve Kerr's name in your arguement?
since when was steve kerr ever a star in the league? he wasnt even a starter for god's sake.
i'm talking about jump shooters who are stars, who've played more than 35 minutes per game for their careers... not guys like Kerr who avg 4 ppg and played 15 minutes a night over their career.
Brent Barry wasnt a jump shooter until the end of his career, and even he doesnt avg more than 20 minutes a game.

I'm talking about star jumpshooters, those are the guys who's careers start winding down so fast that they end up retiring before their time... guys like Glen Rice, Allan Houston... once those guys lost their speed (and legs) they were pretty much liabilities on the court and had to end their careers faster than they wanted to.
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There's Reggie Miller, but he's the only guy that springs to mind.
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I like Rondo.

I like his beside Calderon.
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seriously?
are you bringing up Steve Kerr's name in your arguement?
since when was steve kerr ever a star in the league? he wasnt even a starter for god's sake.
i'm talking about jump shooters who are stars, who've played more than 35 minutes per game for their careers... not guys like Kerr who avg 4 ppg and played 15 minutes a night over their career.
Brent Barry wasnt a jump shooter until the end of his career, and even he doesnt avg more than 20 minutes a game.

I'm talking about star jumpshooters, those are the guys who's careers start winding down so fast that they end up retiring before their time... guys like Glen Rice, Allan Houston... once those guys lost their speed (and legs) they were pretty much liabilities on the court and had to end their careers faster than they wanted to.
I don't think "star" was there once in your post, so I hope you understand my confusion. I gave two examples of jump shooters who continued to contribute very late into their careers. Besides, Ray Allen's been in the league for 12 years and counting, and continues to contribute so I wouldn't say his career is synonomous to Allan "100 million dollar injury" Houston or Glen Rice.

I'm just not sure I understand how jump shooters could be so much more affected by a decrease in speed than your average player who, say, focuses on driving to the basket. If anything, jump shooters would have a better shot at coping decrease in speed and athleticism.
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While there has been talk around the NBA from several scouts that the Celtics have been shopping guard Rajon Rondo, he isn't expected to be dealt. While unlikely, one Eastern Conference executive said the latest trade rumor included Rondo and forward Brian Scalabrine going to Memphis for guard Mike Conley and swingman Rudy Gay.
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