Pippen says LBJ might be better than MJ
Old 05-27-2011, 12:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Scottie Pippen had a front-row seat to watch Miami's LeBron James help oust the Chicago Bulls from the playoffs, and the Hall of Famer believes James might supplant Pippen's former running mate Michael Jordan as the greatest player ever.

"Michael Jordan is probably the greatest scorer to play the game," Pippen said Friday on "Mike & Mike In The Morning" on ESPN Radio. "But I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game because he is so potent offensively that not only can he score at will but he keeps everybody involved.

"You have to be on your P's and Q's on defense. No guy on the basketball court is not a threat to score with LeBron James out there. Not only will LeBron dominate from the offensive end as well, but he's also doing it on the defensive end, which really makes him the complete package. He's able to get in those passing lanes, shoot those gaps and create transition opportunities where he is pretty much unstoppable."

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"I'm seeing a great player, and a player that we've all admired for the last [seven] years of his career, but this [eighth] year here, he has really brought the complete package," Pippen said. "I've never seen a player that can dominate a game the way LeBron James can. He don't always have to score. He makes plays for other guys. But when the game is on the line and you need a shot to be made, he's going to make that play. He's shown that throughout this series that he can make big shots.

"I think there has always been a knock on him that he don't make the big shots down the stretch. Well, I think they can put that behind him now. He's a shotmaker. And right now he's a man on a mission."
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he got paid to say that
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Old 05-27-2011, 01:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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ahhh...

Pippen, then man, who, in the middle of MJ's dominance, let Slam Mag (yes kiddies, they had slam way back when you were all watching Barney on TV), allowed Slam to print an article where he argues that it is he in fact, and not Mj who we should consider the best all round player on the planet.

It doesn't surprise me that he would now, years later, still try to validate those feelings by so easily placing James above Jordan. Pretty funny to me.

As for the actual argument.... well, he may have a point. It's hard to say. I'd like to have been able to see both player compete against their peers on a level playing ground where the officials make it impossible to defend either player, and let them both away with murder on defence.
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james might the better player between the two, but james is a wussy. he'll never be the killer that MJ unfortunately was.

pip and me agree on one thing. jordouche was the greatest scorer of all-time.
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Old 05-27-2011, 01:09 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think fundamentally that James is very weak. He's larger than life, he came in with unprecedented hype, and that public appreciation holds clout. The NBA was, and IS determined to keep him on top despite his deficiencies.

No use fighting it, it won't change, but it does annoy the hell out of me.
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I don't even think James has surpassed Kobe in his prime.
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If you put Lebron back into the 1980s and early 1990s he would easily be as dominant as Jordan. The league then is not what it is today (much more overall talent.)

Jordan's edge is his competitiveness. Unless LBJ develops the same instinct then he won't ever be as good as MJ. I do think he has the physical tools to be a more dominant player. Maybe he wont be as prolific as a scorer, but overall, he will be a close defender, better rebounder and shot-blocker, and also a better playmaker. Assists are important, especially for a guy who already averages over 25 pts a game.
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Not until James can top MJ and Kobe 60-80 point game; when he can do that we can talk about whose better.

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If Larry Bird played today he wouldn't even be a starter. And if Craig Ehlo defended Lebron then expect more end of game heroics from James.
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If Larry Bird played today he wouldn't even be a starter. And if Craig Ehlo defended Lebron then expect more end of game heroics from James.
....... and if Lebron didn't have the hype coming in, he'd be expected to play without travelling on most plays, blatantly dropping his shoulder on most drives, and using his off arm/ hand to push off opponents 24/7.

No sure what that would leave him.
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If Larry Bird played today he wouldn't even be a starter.
Okay, so a guy who was the primary player on a team that defeated Magic Johnson wouldn't even be a starter? I was actually more of Magic fan when I was first introduced to the game as a little shit. If Magic were playing today, he would pwn most of the league. Bird led a team past Magic.
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[quote=blazers6;543229]If you put Lebron back into the 1980s and early 1990s he would easily be as dominant as Jordan. The league then is not what it is today (much more overall talent.)

Are you serious ???? ! you must be kidding or 20 years old.. 1990s was the most prolific NBA era (especially end of the 90s) with so many hall of famers or future hall of famers.

2000s were pure BS.. they really lowered the bar, anyone i mean anyone could make it in the nba, no talent, borring etc.
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If Larry Bird played today he wouldn't even be a starter. And if Craig Ehlo defended Lebron then expect more end of game heroics from James.
you are a joke, end of discussion.
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If you put Lebron back into the 1980s and early 1990s he would easily be as dominant as Jordan. The league then is not what it is today (much more overall talent.)

Jordan's edge is his competitiveness. Unless LBJ develops the same instinct then he won't ever be as good as MJ. I do think he has the physical tools to be a more dominant player. Maybe he wont be as prolific as a scorer, but overall, he will be a close defender, better rebounder and shot-blocker, and also a better playmaker. Assists are important, especially for a guy who already averages over 25 pts a game.
LOL are you cracked, I didn't even grow up in that era and I know it was the exact opposite. LMAO talent level back then was much better and you could hold people back then when there driving. Lebron would've been good but I'm not even sure he would even be as good as he is now. Besides Lebron is playing amazing right now but I still think it's because he's with wade and doesn't have to do everything. Either way, he should never be considered better than Jordan after abandoning his team because he wanted it easier for himself. Fuck Lebron he's a pussy and stands for everything thats wrong with this league.
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If Larry Bird played today he wouldn't even be a starter.
can't begin to describe how fucking hard i laughed when i read this
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Lebron held the MVP to shooting 6.3 percent when he was guarding him. You can talk about how he travels or whatever, but that sort of defensive stat, along with his passing and rebounding, is hard to ignore. He can't be said to be there yet, but he's following a pretty good script that takes him there.
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LOL are you cracked, I didn't even grow up in that era and I know it was the exact opposite. LMAO talent level back then was much better and you could hold people back then when there driving. Lebron would've been good but I'm not even sure he would even be as good as he is now. Besides Lebron is playing amazing right now but I still think it's because he's with wade and doesn't have to do everything. Either way, he should never be considered better than Jordan after abandoning his team because he wanted it easier for himself. Fuck Lebron he's a pussy and stands for everything thats wrong with this league.
pippen was consistently a 21/7/7 guy during both the bulls three-peats and was arguably a better player than dwyane wade.

had lebron had a scottie pippen beside him in cleveland i'm confident he would have never left.
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Stop with the comparison and just witness.

Lebron is the best player right now in the NBA. That is all that matters. His career is not even halfway done so stop comparing him to kobe and MJ.
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pippen was consistently a 21/7/7 guy during both the bulls three-peats and was arguably a better player than dwyane wade.

had lebron had a scottie pippen beside him in cleveland i'm confident he would have never left.
There were some playoff rounds where I really thought Pippen was the better player. He was, like Lebron, the more complete player.

At the same time you can't really compare what are really different eras - not because of ridiculous ideas about one time-frame being superior to the other, but because the game was simply different.
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