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Windex 06-16-2009 08:52 AM

Is Phil Jackson the greatest coach of all time?
 
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Phil Jackson
The case for: Just won his 10th NBA championship to surpass Auerbach; has better regular-season (.70 to .659) and playoff (.697 to .603) winning percentages than Auerbach; coached '96 Bulls to all-time best 72 wins; won 60-plus games seven times; won three titles with Luc Longley as his starting center.

The case against: Heck, Mike Brown could have won six or seven titles coaching Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant; won only three titles with Shaq and Kobe; among the coaches he "outsmarted" in the Finals: Mike Dunleavy, Rick Adelman, George Karl and Byron Scott.


Red Auerbach
The case for: Won nine NBA titles in a 10-season span; finished in first place nine consecutive seasons; defeated Lakers teams led by Jerry West and Elgin Baylor four times to win championships; first coach to start five African-Americans; pioneered the role of sixth man with Frank Ramsey and John Havlicek; popularized cigars.

The case against: Never won a title until Bill Russell joined the Celtics; won his titles during an era when coaches (and probably a few players) smoked cigarettes on the bench -- not to be confused with the other eras, such as when players snorted lines of coke, or smoked joints between periods or tweeted at halftime


Vince Lombardi
The case for: Led Green Bay to three NFL championships and the first two Super Bowl titles in nine seasons; did this after taking over a franchise that hadn't posted a winning season in 12 years; career playoff record of 9-1; credited with bringing concept of zone blocking to the NFL; universally beloved and respected by his former players.

The case against: Seemed to invent every bad cliché quote about football coaching that exists. ("Football is like life -- it requires perseverance, self-denial, hard work, sacrifice, dedication and respect for authority.")

more coaches: Is Phil Jackson the greatest coach of all time? - ESPN

zachus 06-16-2009 08:57 AM

Red's left a legacy behind him that no coach has really ever matched; coaches still refer to him as their role model, and his coaching videos are still being used. And nine titles over a span of ten years is just incredible.

I'm not sure if I see Phil Jackson leaving that kind of legacy. We'll see though.

Febreezy 06-16-2009 08:57 AM

Players were allowed to smoke on the bench?
Reallly when?

Acie 06-16-2009 09:21 AM

John Wooden

Ugo Ferst 06-16-2009 10:14 AM

old school, pre cap, major markets (like boston!!!) having an even bigger advantage then they do now. No brainer its harder to win now then it was back in the day, ship Phil the greatest ever monicker and dont question it ;)

Windex 06-16-2009 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ugo Ferst (Post 193684)
old school, pre cap, major markets (like boston!!!) having an even bigger advantage then they do now. No brainer its harder to win now then it was back in the day, ship Phil the greatest ever monicker and dont question it ;)

not to mention that there are 2x the amount of teams now

zachus 06-16-2009 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TO2988 (Post 193686)
not to mention that there are 2x the amount of teams now

Which, theoretically, means the talent is more diluted than it was back in the day.

Windex 06-16-2009 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by zachus22 (Post 193691)
Which, theoretically, means the talent is more diluted than it was back in the day.

that was my point :police:

I voted yes

Ugo Ferst 06-16-2009 10:30 AM

more talent in general in the sport of basketball now, esp with more international players, ethnic players etc, much, much more talented imo, big man like russell wouldnt just come in and dominate and scare the crap outta all the other bigs, same with wilt.

Respect to guys like Red who trailblazed and did alot of the heavy lifting. Coaches got more respect back in the day, they werent hired and fired on a whim for the most part, players didnt make millions and have more power then them. Todays athlete is much harder to coach imo

'trane 06-16-2009 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 193675)
John Wooden

+1

Ugo Ferst 06-16-2009 10:38 AM

oh and anybody that coached before the days black players were commonplace just cant be the best, without competing against the true best.

Oh, btw, i think its unfair to compare college coaches to pro coaches, being a college coach for a huge program is such a tremendous advantage in terms of talent you will have vs 95% of the nation, its not an even comparison, i would rather have a "best ever" for each, then put them together.


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