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Old 11-22-2011, 05:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Who in their Prime would you pick as your Franchise Player and why??

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i take Grant.
for the simple reason that he was a leader. he could do it all, and was the leader of the team.

Penny was always second fiddle.
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i'm a bigger fan of penny but no question grant hill. hill in his prime was a top 5 player
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Who in their Prime would you pick as your Franchise Player and why??
I love Grant Hill.. .but I have to go with Penny. To me he was a beast in his prime.. . and a talent I don't believe has come back to the NBA.

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Penny, from what I've seen from clips and highlights, was just behind Jordan and Kobe talent-wise. But he wasn't a leader, he was a little immature to be honest. For that reason, I would also choose Hill, but it's close. Depends on the type of team I'd have around them.
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Grant Hill was so good...
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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They are both complete players who are highly versatile. Hardaway could play the Point, SG, and SF. Hill could play SG/SF/PF. I'd still pick Hill because he was almost able to defend anyone on the floor.
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Grant Hill was supposed to be the next Michael Jordan .. so I'd have to go with Grant.
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Grant Hill is the second oldest player currently in the NBA after Kurt Thomas and he's still in the starting lineup and still produces and guards the best players on the court. That just shows you his mentality and how good he is even after all of the setbacks.
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I was a Piston fan as a kid, and a Grant Hill fan, but a great leader he was not. He was rather soft spoken and was never really 'one of the guys'.


Although it looked like he was coming into his own in that respect before the injuries.

I do love old Grant Hill, and he leads vocally and by example.
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I hate him cause he went to Duke but I wish Grant Hill never had injuries in his career. Special talent.
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I love Grant Hill.. .but I have to go with Penny. To me he was a beast in his prime.. . and a talent I don't believe has come back to the NBA.

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I grew up watchin ball in the 90s, and while Penny was certainly an elite talent, I'll tell you right now that Grant Hill, Clyde Drexler (even in his mid-30's in the 90s), Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady (who cites Penny as his idol), Dwayne Wade, Kevin Durant, and of course Kobe Bryant & Micheal Jordan were all better than him. And that's just at the wing position. I'll say right now that even Tim Hardaway > Penny Hardaway too; if both were in their prime in the NBA right now, Tim would clearly be a top-15 player in 10-11 while Penny would be argued at about in the low top-20-25.

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They are both complete players who are highly versatile. Hardaway could play the Point, SG, and SF. Hill could play SG/SF/PF. I'd still pick Hill because he was almost able to defend anyone on the floor.
Actually Grant was as much a floor general as he was a traditional wing. Each of his 6yrs in Detroit, he was their 'point forward,' even occasionally starting at the point as well. Lindsey Hunter was the main starter at the 1 spot, but it was always either Grant, Joe Dumars or Aaron McKie/Malik Sealy initiating the Pistons offense.

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I was a Piston fan as a kid, and a Grant Hill fan, but a great leader he was not. He was rather soft spoken and was never really 'one of the guys'.


Although it looked like he was coming into his own in that respect before the injuries.

I do love old Grant Hill, and he leads vocally and by example.
I beg to differ; Grant was & still is a great leader. It juss didn't reflect b/c he had some knuckleheads for teammates lin Detroit like Jerry Stackhouse, whom not even Dean Smith in all his awsome developmental coaching, Joe Dumars in his longevity, consistency, All-Defensive Team nods, ASG nods & 2x Championship experience, Allen Iverson & his tremendous hustle even as a rookie, and finally Micheal Jordan w/the Wizards, couldn't get through to.

Grant's father is former NFL'er Calvin Hill & his mom's IIRC is a lawyer. Grant suffered from 'not being black enough' syndrome in the 90s; he came from a well-to-do, educated family & he was lightskin, went to Duke, and then was mentored by Joe Dumars as a pro. As good as he was on the court, as cool as he was for getting endorsement deals, he simply didn't have the 'street cred' to get through to idiots.
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Now ability-wise, it's not always reflected in the stats, but they both were top-tier, versatile talents. The main difference people saw was Penny was the better shooter & Grant the better slasher. But the subtle difference was Grant was simply a smarter basketball player.

Even more telling, Grant has never had a smart teammate complain about him. OTOH, Penny's ego was so big that Shaq thought well enough to leave the Magic in summer '96 (a year after they made the Finals & got swept by Houston, and juss 2 months after getting swept by the 72-10 eventual Champs, MJ's Bulls). What made this statement really loud is that he announced he's leaving the Magic DURING the '96 Summer Olympics in Atlanta, where one of his USA teammates was Penny! On top of that, while the Orlando Magic were established contenders w/a young nucleus, the Lakers were a team in transition w/Magic Johnson retiring again & trading Vlade Divac for some highschool kid from Philly named Kobe Bean Bryant. Shaq at that time was already 2nd best behind MJ at getting endorsements so that's not what the move was about (especially since he's till this day kept his house in Orlando; and everytime he talks about Orlando, he talks about wanting to own the team or be its GM, talking about it enough to make folk think what his problems were back in '96); on paper, he was clearly taking a step back regarding championship contention.

Penny then got his coach fired the next season, wore out his welcome in Orlando a few yrs later (they traded him to Phoenix for roleplayers, clearing up cap room for summer '2000 to land T-Mac, who was having problems under Darrell Walker & Butch Carter to the point that not even his cousin Vince could keep him with us...perhaps even getting word from Addidas that they'll aid in influencing Tracy to go there, as I alluded to in the Tracy-Vince-Oak thread recently; and Grant, who was always compared to Penny & it wasn't working out between him & Stackhouse), and has finished his career without the legit possibility of any of his former teams retiring his jersey or entering the Hall of Fame.

OTOH, Grant will surely have his jersey retired by the Pistons, and will surely be a 1st ballot Hall-of-Famer due to overcoming his injury and still playing starting caliber basketball in his late 30s; in addition to being a superstar before his injury, of course.

The advantage goes to Grant in their prime, and again to Grant over the long haul.

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Old 11-23-2011, 11:04 PM   #13 (permalink)
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penny was a special talent, and because of that, the hype around him was a little more than warranted.

i would take hill over him, but lets not forget something important here.

grant hill, he's a bit of a loser. the only time he's made it out of the first round was when piggybacking with the suns a couple of seasons ago. dukie loser. jordan comparisons? most irrelevant comparison out there. those are handed out like candy. penny was compared to magic johnson, try containing your ego was they compare you to the greatest basketball player ever.
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