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Old 06-22-2009, 03:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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That age limit has gone from boon to bust for college basketball.

It put Greg Oden and Kevin Durant on campus and in college uniforms for one season, and that was fun. But it also pushed O.J. Mayo and Derrick Rose into situations they seemingly had no interest in, resulting in ongoing scandals at USC and Memphis.

It has forced non-students and pseudo-professionals to feign scholarship and amateurism for one season on campus, cheapening the college experience in general and college basketball specifically.

"The reality is, basketball is their career and their business," said New York Panthers AAU coach Gary Charles, who has coached Stephenson on occasion and seen his rise through the ranks. "In the real world, if someone wants to work at 18, they can do it.

"All of us know which kids are only going to do a year [of college]. If they pass the first semester, they don't really have to do anything in the second semester. I think 98 percent of kids should go to college, but the ones ready to go, let 'em go. Let's just stop the fallacy."

Let's be done with the NBA's one-and-done rule, writes Pat Forde - ESPN



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Blaming the one-and-done rule for everything is a convenient excuse for college coaches, but doing so supposes that (a) players' leaving school after one season is some sort of new phenomenon and/or (b) college ball's recent scandals at USC (with O.J. Mayo) and Memphis (Derrick Rose) are the first scandals of their kind.

Wrong and wrong.

In the three years since the current age limit was adopted, 27 players left college for the NBA after one season. In the preceding three years, 15 players made the same jump. Drastic increase? Only if you consider four additional one-and-dones every year to be drastic. (Ask yourself this as well: Would all 27 of those guys -- including the likes of Mike Conley, Daequan Cook and Kosta Koufos -- have gone straight into the draft from high school if they had had that option? Hardly.)

As for the scandal part hilarious. The proliferation of illegal cash transactions, various other types of recruiting violations and corrupt coaches -- if I understand the argument correctly -- all stem from the one-and-done rule? History says otherwise. Loudly.

Scandals have only plagued college basketball forever. Change the age limit back to 18 then brace yourself to hear about a new wave of scandals.

I'm with Stern, Phil Jackson and countless other NBA old heads on this one. Make it a two-and-done minimum. Force kids to stay in school for at least two years before they can go pro.

NBA should adopt two-and-done rule - ESPN
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Where's the "younger", or "before finishing high school" option?
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i personally dont think they should adopt any rule. I am fully against this rule (forcing an age limit and making kids go to college).
the only reason this was done in the first place was for money and to make NCAA more money. if anyone says this is the kids, thats complete BS.
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i personally dont think they should adopt any rule. I am fully against this rule (forcing an age limit and making kids go to college).
the only reason this was done in the first place was for money and to make NCAA more money. if anyone says this is the kids, thats complete BS.
NCAA is about making money, say it ain't so

I say enter after high school
but if you go to college, stay 2 years
teaches them to commit to something
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I disagree with an age limit, but I do agree that it's more than beneficial for a guy to go to college. The whole one-and-done thing is sort of a smack in the face for schools, basketball programs, coaches and their fans but programs need to see it coming ahead of time. Kids don't want to go to school to play ball, they want to use school as a vehicle to get to the L.

If anything, the NCAA should implement a two-year commitment system. If you want to commit, fine, if not, fine. Besides, if you're ready to play in the L, you're ready to play in the L. It shouldn't matter how old you are. But the one and done thing is harmful to the culture of college sport.
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The season MVP and the finals MVP both came from high school... why are we holding them back?

I say straight from high school is fine.
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you are wise beyond your years zachus.
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Thanks man, I appreciate it.

I wasn't this much of a sage 1700 posts ago. All in the post count baby.
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If the player thinks he is mature enough and skilled enough to enter, all the best. Thats what I'd do.
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Players should spend at least one year in college for a fallback in their career in case something goes wrong (see Michael Olowakandi), and extra education is a good thing for all NBA basketball players instead of a minimum high school diploma in which won't help you as much in the business world after your basketball career.


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If the player thinks he is mature enough and skilled enough to enter, all the best. Thats what I'd do.
besides how should the player know if he/she is matured and skilled enough when they just left high school playing against softies, there is more experience awarded after playing at least a year in college and prepares the rookie even more for the NBA years.
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Players should spend at least one year in college for a fallback in their career in case something goes wrong (see Michael Olowakandi), and extra education is a good thing for all NBA basketball players instead of a minimum high school diploma in which won't help you as much in the business world after your basketball career..
Sorry man, but one year of majoring in pencil sharpening isn't going to get these kids anywhere. Matt Leinart majored in ballroom dancing for god's sake. Give me a break. Granted, it's better than nothing, but it's far from a quality fallback.
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Sorry man, but one year of majoring in pencil sharpening isn't going to get these kids anywhere. Matt Leinart majored in ballroom dancing for god's sake. Give me a break. Granted, it's better than nothing, but it's far from a quality fallback.
Obviously that choice that Matt made will come back and bite him, hard.

But there are many bright ones out there that set an example:
James Posey, Major in Law and Criminal Justice
Chris Bosh, Major in technology

If I can find more I'd be happy to share.
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Obviously that choice that Matt made will come back and bite him, hard.

But there are many bright ones out there that set an example:
James Posey, Major in Law and Criminal Justice
Chris Bosh, Major in technology.
Fair, but I'd say those two are anomalies in the grand scheme of things. Guys that actually go through with legitimate degrees from start to finish are in the extreme minority.
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The season MVP and the finals MVP both came from high school... why are we holding them back?

I say straight from high school is fine.
Because for every amazing high schooler that we see tear the league up, there were hundreds more who failed pretty badly.
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Academic Exploration is a favourite major of mine...

There obviously are the few players like Dwight, Kobe, LeBron, KG who have done well straight out of high school. But college ball gives players a better picture of how good they really are. Players like Gerald Green took the millions but still hasn't reached his potential of being the next T-Mac (or maybe he has?) or at least a solid starter in the L. Think about it , he would still be in school, have played at a stellar d1 program somewhere and most likely improved a great deal by actually playing, not sitting on the bench. Carmelo is the One and Done poster boy and don't say going to school hurt his stock! Overall only the rarest exceptions should even be considered out of high school, and even then at least one year of college wouldn't hurt.
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Academic Exploration is a favourite major of mine...

There obviously are the few players like Dwight, Kobe, LeBron, KG who have done well straight out of high school. But college ball gives players a better picture of how good they really are. Players like Gerald Green took the millions but still hasn't reached his potential of being the next T-Mac (or maybe he has?) or at least a solid starter in the L. Think about it , he would still be in school, have played at a stellar d1 program somewhere and most likely improved a great deal by actually playing, not sitting on the bench. Carmelo is the One and Done poster boy and don't say going to school hurt his stock! Overall only the rarest exceptions should even be considered out of high school, and even then at least one year of college wouldn't hurt.
really?
you think that he would still be in school? he wouldv'e bolted after one year.

its a joke if you think these guys need to go to college for their education... these guys (the majority) dont give a crap about college, they only use it as a launching pad to get into the NBA... and some because they are forced to go to school.
take a look at this seaons draft class.
name me one player who is a SENIOR.
i'm pretty sure Chase Budinger is the only one out of the bunch. what does this tell you?
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really?
you think that he would still be in school? he wouldv'e bolted after one year.

its a joke if you think these guys need to go to college for their education... these guys (the majority) dont give a crap about college, they only use it as a launching pad to get into the NBA... and some because they are forced to go to school.
take a look at this seaons draft class.
name me one player who is a SENIOR.
i'm pretty sure Chase Budinger is the only one out of the bunch. what does this tell you?
T Will and Hans are seniors, I think
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yeah sorry i meant Hansborough, not Budinger.

i think its laughable that people actually say "what happens when they flop in the league and they get dropped after a few years of sitting on the bench? then they will have no education".

well in those few years of sitting on the bench, they just made more money than i may make for my whole life... so i wouldnt worry about them missing their education... especially when that education would consist of one year (or maybe 2) studying swimming pool management.
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