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DocHoliday99 07-18-2012 05:22 PM

Official: Howard to Lakers
 
The Cavaliers have emerged as a facilitator in a trade that would send Dwight Howard from the Magic to the Lakers.

Cleveland would acquire Andrew Bynum for a package of draft picks and Anderson Varejao.

Los Angeles would receive Howard, while Orlando would acquire Varejao and a collection of picks.

The Rockets have also been engaged in three-way trade talks.

Via Ric Bucher/ESPN


Read more: Cavaliers Emerge As Third Team In Lakers Magic Howard For Bynum Talks - RealGM Wiretap

jeffb 07-18-2012 05:24 PM

:eek:


Cleveland is gonna be sick if this happens! How can LAL and Orlando not agree on a deal that gives Orlando Bynum? Varejao.......yuck

ClutchCity 07-18-2012 05:24 PM

Nothing new has been reported. One day it's ORL/HOU, another day it's ORL/HOU/LAL, now it's LAL/ORL/CLE. I won't believe anything until it happens or until Woj confirms it.

DocHoliday99 07-18-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchCity (Post 672170)
Nothing new has been reported. One day it's ORL/HOU, another day it's ORL/HOU/LAL, now it's LAL/ORL/CLE. I won't believe anything until it happens or until Woj confirms it.

I agree but this actually might have traction. If any team has picks to share it would be Cleveland.

DocHoliday99 07-18-2012 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 672169)
:eek:


Cleveland is gonna be sick if this happens! How can LAL and Orlando not agree on a deal that gives Orlando Bynum? Varejao.......yuck

Bynum has come out and said he won't sign an extension in Orlando. The Cavs have a really nice core developing....I can see Bynum going there.

DonMughal 07-18-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 672169)
:eek:


Cleveland is gonna be sick if this happens! How can LAL and Orlando not agree on a deal that gives Orlando Bynum? Varejao.......yuck

Hate it when teams only get to suck for a couple years then go back to being awsome. Go through real RAPTOR growing pains suckas! lol

ClutchCity 07-18-2012 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 672169)
:eek:


Cleveland is gonna be sick if this happens! How can LAL and Orlando not agree on a deal that gives Orlando Bynum? Varejao.......yuck

Supposedly they don't want Bynum because they'd be in a similar situation they're in now with Dwight, because Bynum is on the last year of his contract. Maybe Bynum doesn't want to re-sign there (I still don't believe that). Also, as Presti's protege, Hennigan wants picks for their rebuilding process. Cleveland has 7 first rounders in the next three years. If ORL is offered McRoberts (expiring), Daniel Gibson (expiring, team option), Luke Walton (expiring), Varejao (who Presti/Hennigan have reportedly been wanting for quite some time), Tristan Thompson (big man prospect), Devin Ebanks (another prospect), and 3-4 first rounders, that's a pretty solid deal. They'd most likely dump J-Rich on Lakers and give Big Baby to CLE. ORL is not as worried about Turk and Duhon's contracts because their contracts are only partially guaranteed for their last year (after this upcoming season). At that point, Turk becomes a valuable expiring contract.

On top of all this, ORL would likely suck badly if they made this trade. That means they'd also have their own pick which could likely end up being a top 5 pick.

So all in all for ORL: Varejao (could become a valuable trade piece), 3 expiring contracts, 2 prospects, 3-4 first rounders, plus their own top 5 pick, and the ability to dumb their 2 worst contracts seems like a pretty good deal to me.

ClutchCity 07-18-2012 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99 (Post 672173)
I agree but this actually might have traction. If any team has picks to share it would be Cleveland.

Thing is, this rumour is not new. LAL/CLE/ORL rumour came out three or four days ago, but Cavs "pulled out". Now the rumour has come up again. Who knows if it has any legs. Obviously, I wish it were true, but I'm skeptical about any Dwight rumours.

ClutchCity 07-18-2012 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99 (Post 672176)
Bynum has come out and said he won't sign an extension in Orlando. The Cavs have a really nice core developing....I can see Bynum going there.

That's not true. Bynum has been fishing in Alaska. All those rumours that he won't re-sign could just be made up. It could be true, but Bynum has not confirmed so himself.

DocHoliday99 07-18-2012 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchCity (Post 672180)
Supposedly the don't want Bynum because they'd be in a similar dilemma they're in now with Dwight, because Bynum on the last year of his contract. Maybe Bynum doesn't want to re-sign there (I still don't believe that). Also, as Presti's protege, Hennigan wants picks for their building process. Cleveland has 7 first rounders in the next three years. If ORL is offered McRoberts (expiring), Daniel Gibson (expiring, team option), Luke Walton (expiring), Varejao (who Presti/Hennigan have reportedly been wanting for quite some time), Tristan Thompson (big man prospect), Devin Ebanks (another prospect), and 3-4 first rounders, that's a pretty solid deal. They'd most likely dump J-Rich on Lakers and give Big Baby to CLE. ORL is not as worried about Turk and Duhon's contracts because their contracts are only partially guaranteed for their last year (after this upcoming season). At that point, Turk becomes a valuable expiring contract.

On top of all this, ORL would likely suck badly if they made this trade. That means they'd also have their own pick which could likely end up being a top 5 pick.

So all in all for ORL: Varejao (could become a valuable trade piece), 3 expiring contracts, 2 prospects, 3-4 first rounders, and the ability to dumb their 2 worst contracts seems like a pretty good deal to me.

With Jamison gone and Parker retiring wouldn't that free up 22mil off the cap hold? I'm thinking the Cavs could just absorb most of Howards contract - DanH could probably clarify that but I think the Cavs could do that and keep the other expirings for other trades. 100% regarding those picks...this would be the team for Orlando to trade with.

Bynum outright stated he won't resign in Orlando and I wouldn't either as that team heads for hell for a couple of years. Besides, if I'm Bynum I think I'd rather play with Irving and Waiters than stay in Orlando.

Cavs....
Irving
Waiters
Gee
Thompson
Bynum

THAT is a nice core.

Lakers...
Nash
Kobe
Jamison
Gasol
Howard

Orlando...
Shit load of picks plus probably their own high lottery ones for a couple years.

Kirby 07-18-2012 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchCity (Post 672186)
That's not true. Bynum won't re-sign. All those rumours that Bynum has been fishing in Alaska could just be made up. It could be true, but Bynum has not confirmed so himself.

:cookie:

DocHoliday99 07-18-2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchCity (Post 672186)
That's not true. Bynum has been fishing in Alaska. All those rumours that he won't re-sign could just be made up. It could be true, but Bynum has not confirmed so himself.

I'm sure I read a direct quote but maybe not - you're probably right.

Regardless, if you're Bynum would you want to stay in years of rebuild in Orlando or play with a backcourt of ROY Irving/Waiters?

EDIT: I think in this scenario, this trifecta of teams would be ideal...a really good trade for all 3 in the long run.

ClutchCity 07-18-2012 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirby (Post 672193)
:cookie:

haha good one. However, Bynum's agent, David Lee, has confirmed that he's on a fishing trip ;)

ClutchCity 07-18-2012 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99 (Post 672195)
I'm sure I read a direct quote but maybe not - you're probably right.

Regardless, if you're Bynum would you want to stay in years of rebuild in Orlando or play with a backcourt of ROY Irving/Waiters?

EDIT: I think in this scenario, this trifecta of teams would be ideal...a really good trade for all 3 in the long run.

No doubt he'd want to be with CLE over Orlando. I just know that Bynum has an ego and wants his own team. He thinks he deserves it too. On top of that, with his glass knees, he'd be stupid to leave $20 million on the table and not re-sign with Orlando if he were traded there. That's just my opinion. And if he went to Orlando, a couple years of rebuilding wouldn't be a complete waste. Bynum is just 24 years old.

And yes, the trade does seem to make sense for all parties involved.

DocHoliday99 07-18-2012 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchCity (Post 672205)
No doubt he'd want to be with CLE over Orlando. I just know that Bynum has an ego and wants his own team. He thinks he deserves it too. On top of that, with his glass knees, he'd be stupid to leave $20 million on the table and not re-sign with Orlando if he were traded there. That's just my opinion. And if he went to Orlando, a couple years of rebuilding wouldn't be a complete waste. Bynum is just 24 years old.

And yes, the trade does seem to make sense for all parties involved.

I'm curious about that regarding Bynum...if it's a 3 team trade like this and Bynum goes to the Cavs wouldn't the Cavs receive his bird rights just like Orlando would if it was a straight trade between the Lakers/Magic? If the situation is better on the Cavs.....

You're right about the ego thing, however on the Cavs there is no Kobe keeping him in check. No way Irving stops Bynum taking the team over if that were the case. Getting Bynum away from Kobe might be a good thing. Also, regarding ego, how about resurrecting a team the LBJ devastated and then taking on LBJ for the next several years?

ClutchCity 07-18-2012 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99 (Post 672212)
I'm curious about that regarding Bynum...if it's a 3 team trade like this and Bynum goes to the Cavs wouldn't the Cavs receive his bird rights just like Orlando would if it was a straight trade between the Lakers/Magic? If the situation is better on the Cavs.....

Yes, you're right. I was saying that if ORL got Bynum, I don't think he'd just leave that much money on the table. Basically, I'm saying Bynum will re-sign with whoever acquires him. I'm sure he prefers CLE over ORL but it may not be his choice.

Quote:

You're right about the ego thing, however on the Cavs there is no Kobe keeping him in check. No way Irving stops Bynum taking the team over if that were the case. Getting Bynum away from Kobe might be a good thing. Also, regarding ego, how about resurrecting a team the LBJ devastated and then taking on LBJ for the next several years?
I wasn't arguing against this. I'm just saying if Cavs get Bynum, he will re-sign with them. If ORL gets him, he'll stay there. If HOU gets him, he'll re-sign there. It's not necessarily about preference. I do think he'll re-sign with the team that has his bird rights. That's all I'm saying. I'm sure he'd welcome playing with one of the best PGs in the game in Irving, I wasn't arguing that. Sorry if my previous post sounded confusing.

just4_raps 07-18-2012 07:05 PM

NOOOO. Keep both Bynum and Dwight out of the East.

Rather Bynum goto Houston. I'm praying he does.

We are already going to have a hard enough time competing as is...

Psi 07-18-2012 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99 (Post 672176)
Bynum has come out and said he won't sign an extension in Orlando. The Cavs have a really nice core developing....I can see Bynum going there.

Doesn't change the fact it's still Cleveland, likely the 3rd most depressing city's in the US.
Behind Detroit and Buffalo.

DocHoliday99 07-18-2012 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchCity (Post 672218)
Yes, you're right. I was saying that if ORL got Bynum, I don't think he'd just leave that much money on the table. Basically, I'm saying Bynum will re-sign with whoever acquires him. I'm sure he prefers CLE over ORL but it may not be his choice.



I wasn't arguing against this. I'm just saying if Cavs get Bynum, he will re-sign with them. If ORL gets him, he'll stay there. If HOU gets him, he'll re-sign there. It's not necessarily about preference. I do think he'll re-sign with the team that has his bird rights. That's all I'm saying. I'm sure he'd welcome playing with one of the best PGs in the game in Irving, I wasn't arguing that. Sorry if my previous post sounded confusing.

No no. I just took it in a different way but totally get what you're saying now. Seemed an unlike clutch :cookie:

Superjudge 07-18-2012 09:39 PM

in the end, Orlando gets screwed. this generation of Agent/player demanding mofo's is ruining basketball man.


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