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Old 08-16-2012, 03:27 PM   #321 (permalink)
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ok. So this silly part of the discussion can end.

So Bynum is gone and Howard is in. Interviews with both leaders of the Lakers produce "are you fucking kidding me" wide eyed looks before both Pau and Kobe claim they are incredibly excited about the moves made.

Are we really considering the Dwight Howard is or isn't going to be a force in the Middle on the Lakers? Really..... is this even rational...I mean by even the least knowledgeable blokes calculations... Are we about to say Bosh, or Lebron will take care of that guy?

It's easy to assume a guy is thi or that.... but the fact is, Howard has been the premier center in the league for while now, Orlando was never good, he made them good. What you're about to witness is what Howard will look like when other teams can 't sleep on either of the other 4 positions (that in itself is terrifying). Not only does he get single coverage in the post, he has single coverage rebounding because the other 4 guys are ALL going to bve guarded. Thats ridiculous. The guy is going to absolutely destroy, and if they choose to shut him down, you just leave Kobe, Pau, Metta, or of course the best shooter in the NBA open.

Hahahahahahahahaha


You guys even pretending otherwise need to get out the popcorn and beer and enjoy the education you have coming, it's gonna be ridiculous.
Just because it looks good on paper, doesn't mean it's a lock. They polay the games for a reason. Anything can happen.
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ok. So this silly part of the discussion can end.

So Bynum is gone and Howard is in. Interviews with both leaders of the Lakers produce "are you fucking kidding me" wide eyed looks before both Pau and Kobe claim they are incredibly excited about the moves made.

Are we really considering the Dwight Howard is or isn't going to be a force in the Middle on the Lakers? Really..... is this even rational...I mean by even the least knowledgeable blokes calculations... Are we about to say Bosh, or Lebron will take care of that guy?

It's easy to assume a guy is thi or that.... but the fact is, Howard has been the premier center in the league for while now, Orlando was never good, he made them good. What you're about to witness is what Howard will look like when other teams can 't sleep on either of the other 4 positions (that in itself is terrifying). Not only does he get single coverage in the post, he has single coverage rebounding because the other 4 guys are ALL going to bve guarded. Thats ridiculous. The guy is going to absolutely destroy, and if they choose to shut him down, you just leave Kobe, Pau, Metta, or of course the best shooter in the NBA open.

Hahahahahahahahaha


You guys even pretending otherwise need to get out the popcorn and beer and enjoy the education you have coming, it's gonna be ridiculous.
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Which player forces opposing coaches to make the most adjustments?

1. Dwight Howard, Orlando -- 29.6%
2. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 22.2%
3. LeBron James, Miami -- 18.5%
4. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas -- 14.8%
5. Derrick Rose, Chicago -- 7.4%

Also receiving votes: Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers; Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers

Last year: Kobe Bryant -- 35.7%
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Old 08-19-2012, 07:38 AM   #324 (permalink)
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ok. So this silly part of the discussion can end.

So Bynum is gone and Howard is in. Interviews with both leaders of the Lakers produce "are you fucking kidding me" wide eyed looks before both Pau and Kobe claim they are incredibly excited about the moves made.

Are we really considering the Dwight Howard is or isn't going to be a force in the Middle on the Lakers? Really..... is this even rational...I mean by even the least knowledgeable blokes calculations... Are we about to say Bosh, or Lebron will take care of that guy?

It's easy to assume a guy is thi or that.... but the fact is, Howard has been the premier center in the league for while now, Orlando was never good, he made them good. What you're about to witness is what Howard will look like when other teams can 't sleep on either of the other 4 positions (that in itself is terrifying). Not only does he get single coverage in the post, he has single coverage rebounding because the other 4 guys are ALL going to bve guarded. Thats ridiculous. The guy is going to absolutely destroy, and if they choose to shut him down, you just leave Kobe, Pau, Metta, or of course the best shooter in the NBA open.

Hahahahahahahahaha


You guys even pretending otherwise need to get out the popcorn and beer and enjoy the education you have coming, it's gonna be ridiculous.
Sadly I must agree with this.
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When Nash passed out of the pick and roll, the big man shot 60% from the field, the highest number in the league with at least 100 possessions. And that was with Gortat...

Dwight shot 74% from the field as the pick and roll big last season. And that was with Nelson...

Put those two together and it's just lethal by itself. And that's without even considering the best SG in the game in Kobe and and a top 5 PF in Pau. Scary.
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When Nash passed out of the pick and roll, the big man shot 60% from the field, the highest number in the league with at least 100 possessions. And that was with Gortat...

Dwight shot 74% from the field as the pick and roll big last season. And that was with Nelson...

Put those two together and it's just lethal by itself. And that's without even considering the best SG in the game in Kobe and and a top 5 PF in Pau. Scary.
So what you're trying to say is that the Lakers might be better than the Raptors? Damn.
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So what you're trying to say is that the Lakers might be better than the Raptors? Damn.
I wouldn't go that far
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Bored at work so I decided to read this thread from when Howard got traded. Too much talk about parity. It just won't happen because it's simply impossible. Here's a great post that explains the situation:

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The problem with the whole parity issue is that it is impossible in the NBA. More than any sport, success in the NBA is built around true franchise players. In the last 33 years, only one NBA champion has not featured a franchise star (or more than 1), the 04 Pistons. And one could argue that Chauncey Billups mimicked many of the attributes of one. But even without that argument, 1 in 33 is a tiny, tiny number.

Add to that the fact that there simply aren't that many true franchise players, and no matter what you do, short of rotating them around the league every year, they are going to win almost all of the titles.

Sure, the league could try to limit max contracts to one or two per team, but that would actually INCREASE the value of the top 2 or 3 guys.

And unless you put in some legally indefensible prohibition against it, those stars are going to tend to migrate to the big markets with the best lifestyle and marketing opportunities. About the only thing you could really do would be to totally slant the salary restrictions in a way that the team who drafted a player would have prohibitive advantages in paying them, but good luck getting the union to agree to it.

At the end of the day, no matter what you do, almost all of the teams in the NBA are not going to be competing for the title, save for the select few with franchise stars. So the whole luxury tax thing is useless as a competitive balance tool. The NBA should just concentrate on revenue sharing and accept reality.

LA didn't game the system. Despite new wrinkles, the system remains the same: few stars dictate titles, and those stars end up in the big markets.
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:37 PM   #329 (permalink)
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i like it when guys like dirk stay at a poor team and make them into champions.
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:52 PM   #330 (permalink)
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i like it when guys like dirk stay at a poor team and make them into champions.
How were the Mavs poor? They had one of the highest payrolls for a number of seasons leading up the championship.
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How were the Mavs poor? They had one of the highest payrolls for a number of seasons leading up the championship.
my mistake, their rubbish period was just before dirk joined. I thought it overlapped a bit. Just meant glad he stayed even after all the playoff failures.
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parity isnt a problem? i dont get it. the way i see it a few years ago Lebron, Wade, (Bosh), Kobe, Dwight and Nash were on 6 different teams each team much better than they are now - playoff teams. and now these players are split onto two teams leaving their old teams to dig in the lottery, lose money, endorsements, recognition and blahblahblah.
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parity isnt a problem? i dont get it. the way i see it a few years ago Lebron, Wade, (Bosh), Kobe, Dwight and Nash were on 6 different teams each team much better than they are now - playoff teams. and now these players are split onto two teams leaving their old teams to dig in the lottery, lose money, endorsements, recognition and blahblahblah.
There will always be only a small number of teams in the mix for a championship every year. That's how it's always been, and that's how it'll always be.
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There will always be only a small number of teams in the mix for a championship every year. That's how it's always been, and that's how it'll always be.


there has always been a rich in the NBA and a poor.. but when the rich get super rich by adding superstars from the midclass/uppermidclass teams (the ones that couldve made it , were doing fine, but fell short ie. magic, suns, cavs, and even the Raptors ) what you end up getting is a smaller middle class, a larger pool of poor teams and the rich teams already running the show get even more spectacular and powerful. and thats exactly why parity should be an issue when talking about superteams. (ive always been taught succesful countries need a strong middle class, and that the rich get richer and poor get poorer and the world we live in sucks....but thats totally unrelated, well sort of)

i mean look at the eastern conference, all the time on here i see comments about how open everything is from 6th-12th seed, and thats because there isnt a a middle group of teams we're all pretty sucky to kinda decent battling for late playoff spots and thats because LA needs to have an all-star starting 5 to compete with Miami's and this looks like it'll be a continued trend...... LA say goodbye to cp3 new york will need a pg next year and blahblahblah
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Exec Dwight Currently Playing Like Koufos - RealGM Wiretap

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"Dwight Howard is basically Kosta Koufos," said one NBA executive on Wednesday.

"If you dropped in from another planet and had no idea who the players were, you would never know that Dwight Howard was one of the best players," said another executive.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:11 AM   #336 (permalink)
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^there is quite a bit more to the article if you go to the original source....

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If Howard is banking on disproving all that was said about him during his Orlando exit debacle by showing he is a winner as a Laker, he'd better be saving something super special for late in the season.

Howard's decisions to ramp up slowly and carefully this season, leaning on excuses from back surgery eight months ago and failing to get his conditioning back in gear, have brought him to this point – where those who really know the NBA know that he is not being great.

And if that's not condemnation enough, here's one that will surely sting him:

Dwight never wanted to follow in Shaq's footsteps, but he's already following in some of his missteps.

The whole idea of biding time now, not wanting to expend too much too early is classic Shaquille O'Neal philosophy. (O'Neal, however, would entertain himself by talking about building up toward playoff time in specific terminology, and to this day I can still picture Shaq's face as he would raise his eyebrows for the word "climax.")

Ejected for fouling Denver's Kenneth Faried in the face, Howard whined afterward about being penalized by referees for being big and strong – one of O'Neal's favorite statements. Looking so slow on the second night of a back-to-back set before the ejection – to the point that Mike D'Antoni said the Lakers didn't lose "a whole lot" in Howard's ejection – certainly was Shaq-like, too.

Howard blames weakened nerves in his left leg for his inconsistency, saying last week: "There are still days I feel really good, and there are days when I'm not so good. But it's all a process. I'm pretty sure at the end of the year I'll feel a lot better than I do now."

Steve Nash didn't name names the way D'Antoni did, but Nash had a point to make after the loss to Denver about that kind of mindset.

Everyone has days when they don't have their legs, Nash said, and those are the days when you'd really better "fight."

"And find other ways to get it done," Nash said.

As his dominance started to wear off, O'Neal actually went to Kobe Bryant before some games to say it was one of those nights he didn't feel good, so Bryant had better step it up.

Howard wasn't supposed to be that kind of guy.

Howard hardly ever missed games previously in his career – he played 624 of his first 631 before last season – so it was a reasonable assumption that he was the sort who prided himself on performing at a certain elite level he defines for himself. Whether he's just that rattled by his first major injury now, Howard's standards have lowered.

Is it going to take all season for Howard to feel like his old self again – and if so, will his new self never bring consistent effort in making the little plays that help teams win?

Or does it run deeper than that ... and is the limited activity his response to teammates' defensive failures next to him and not having an offense featuring him in the post, where he most wants the ball?

Or is Howard simply content with being a Laker and having the majority of the pressure falling on Bryant and Nash to save the season? And will Howard wait until he is "the man" and Bryant is retired before truly accepting the responsibility of playing like a superstar every night?

Dangerous conclusions are there to be jumped to when you let the people make Koufos comparisons and see you getting killed by Faried. What we know for certain is that there was plenty of symbolism on that flagrant-foul play and how hard Faried drove toward Howard, who was simply unready to respond in the right way.

"He was just mad," Faried said. "I was getting in his head, and he couldn't get the rebound. He wanted to, but I kept getting every rebound. It's not like I said anything or talked to him."

Faried said the Nuggets were also motivated by the Lakers' victory a month ago at Staples Center: "They were laughing and giggling, so we came out to prove a point."

No one laughs and giggles more than the guy who inherited Shaq's old stall in the locker room at Staples and jokes around even more than O'Neal did there.

He's the guy who had 28 points, 20 rebounds and three blocks in that Nov. 30 victory over Denver.

Or is he?

Is he Koufos? Is he Superman?

Here's who he is:

Healthy enough to get 33 points, 14 rebounds and five assists back in the season's second game ... and two months later, he's the guy who still doesn't have the energy and effort.
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i was going by the 'just a couple of paragraphs' rule, so i stayed with the linked version...
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:25 AM   #338 (permalink)
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this quote is looking pretty good right now
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