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Old 08-10-2012, 02:22 PM   #201 (permalink)
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Thank you. People need to stop acting like Lakers got Dwight for free. Three of the four teams made a great trade.

Just ridiculous how it all worked out. Lakers were supposed to get Chris Paul for Odom and Gasol but it got vetoed. So they somehow keep Gasol and add Nash. Gasol + Nash > Paul alone. Then Mitch trades Bynum for the best big man in the game. Who would've thought the vetoed trade would end up being a good thing?

Mitch = best GM in the league.
Well, Paul is younger than Nash. With Nash the window is 2 or 3 years more max?

Also, it's much easier to make adjustments to a roster versus completely rebuilding it. This Howard trade is essentially a no-brainer for the Lakers.
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:28 PM   #202 (permalink)
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And that "top 3 C" just got absolutely dominated by McGee in the playoffs lol.

Bynum's good... but let's be real here.... that's a landslide win for L.A.

I agree with Thrills too... mind-boggled that ORL didn't find a taker for Hedo.
Yeah, Bynum is not on Howard's level. I hate when people suggest otherwise. People saying Bynum > Dwight are on crack.
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:30 PM   #203 (permalink)
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Yeah I can see Paus numbers going down to 14+9 but I think his defence will look better and he'll still be involved in the Lakers offence with easy passes to Dwight and also outside jumpers, but hes going to post up even less next year.

Nash will probably be at 11+10 on his usual great percentages. I think his assist numbers would be higher but the Lakers are going to blow out so many teams next year he wont need to play much.

Kobe will be at his usual 26-27 PPG on less shots, and Dwight the same production with maybe less rebounding, but I expect his PPG to be around 22-24 with all of the easy opportunities hes going to get
It may actually make more sense to start Jamison, for this 3pt shooting. Howard would cover his back defensively and Gasol would transform their bench from one of the worst into one of their best. At least during the regular season, that could be a better strategy, provided Jamison still has something in the tank.
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:32 PM   #204 (permalink)
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So the whiny baby finally gets dealt! Thank the fuck christ, now we can hear him flip flopping on whether or not he'll stay in LAL. Wonder if he throws the coach under the bus. LAL should hire SVG.


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Old 08-10-2012, 02:34 PM   #205 (permalink)
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Well, Paul is younger than Nash. With Nash the window is 2 or 3 years more max?

Also, it's much easier to make adjustments to a roster versus completely rebuilding it. This Howard trade is essentially a no-brainer for the Lakers.
thing is, even without nash that's probably the best team in the league, because kobe/gasol/howard fit better than lebron/wade/bosh or durant/rw/harden. And in 3 years, wade will probably be a shadow of the player he is now, unless he develops some serious post-up skills.

Let's face it, for the next 4-5 years, barring some major surprise, the Lakers will be very difficult to beat. Which sucks for everybody, but most of all for all these good teams who could see their golden years wasted (OKC/Clippers/Memphis/Denver/Miami/Chicago/Brooklyn) and the old teams who had a fighter's chance until yesterday (Boston/SAS).

Teams like Toronto or Cleveland or Washington are less impacted since our potential window is still years away.
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:37 PM   #206 (permalink)
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And that "top 3 C" just got absolutely dominated by McGee in the playoffs lol.

Bynum's good... but let's be real here.... that's a landslide win for L.A.

I agree with Thrills too... mind-boggled that ORL didn't find a taker for Hedo.
I don't have a problem with keeping turk, it's not like they need cap space anytime soon. The biggest fail is that they got virtually no young talent, the draft picks will be crap, very late 1st rounders are almost worst than early 2nd rounders because of the guaranteed salary scale and vucevic and harkless are bench players at best. Harrington is trade balast and Affalo is an overpaid decent role player.
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:39 PM   #207 (permalink)
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Keeping Hedo isn't that bad. After this upcoming season, he becomes a valuable expiring and his salary is only partially guaranteed (about $6 mill). J Rich was arguably a worse contract.
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:43 PM   #209 (permalink)
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I still think Miami takes them at full strength and theres still D12's injury issue.
at least Nash and Kobe are at the end of their career. if they were in their prime this would be nasty.
nash and kobe are at least 85% of their prime level, especially nash who had his most productive year last season and that's on a team loaded with scrubs.

THe main issue for Miami is that they have NOTHING to stop howard and even if they had, they played their best ball last season with lebron at the 4, and that's not happening against the Lakers. Gasol has 5 inches on lebron and he's a great post player/shooter, you need somebody taller to keep in him check. But it goes better, even if they somehow manage to keep howard/bosh in check using bosh/lebron and wade on kobe, but that leaves nash unguarded ...

Heat went after allen this summer, and it was a great sign IF they can play small ball and/or they don't face a top point guard.

Let's put it like this, if they have to play Anthony 35+ minutes against the lakers, they have almost no shot to win a game against them. They either have to find a way to stop howard/gasol with bosh/lebron, or sign a decent defensive center, maybe try to pry brown away from the 76ers who don't really need him anymore.
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It may actually make more sense to start Jamison, for this 3pt shooting. Howard would cover his back defensively and Gasol would transform their bench from one of the worst into one of their best. At least during the regular season, that could be a better strategy, provided Jamison still has something in the tank.
Why would you take out your insanely huge advantage inside for a 3 point shooting defensive siv? There's still going to be plenty of space for both Gasol and Howard, especially with Nash running the show. Probably the most insane idea you've ever had and you're usually spot on with your posts. Gasol and Howard are going to be impossible to score against inside. Teams are going to have to get very hot from the perimeter to have a chance vs LAL.
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nash and kobe are at least 85% of their prime level, especially nash who had his most productive year last season and that's on a team loaded with scrubs.

THe main issue for Miami is that they have NOTHING to stop howard and even if they had, they played their best ball last season with lebron at the 4, and that's not happening against the Lakers. Gasol has 5 inches on lebron and he's a great post player/shooter, you need somebody taller to keep in him check. But it goes better, even if they somehow manage to keep howard/bosh in check using bosh/lebron and wade on kobe, but that leaves nash unguarded ...

Heat went after allen this summer, and it was a great sign IF they can play small ball and/or they don't face a top point guard.

Let's put it like this, if they have to play Anthony 35+ minutes against the lakers, they have almost no shot to win a game against them. They either have to find a way to stop howard/gasol with bosh/lebron, or sign a decent defensive center, maybe try to pry brown away from the 76ers who don't really need him anymore.
Disagree.

Anthony becomes even more valuable for MIA because Nash is deadly in the P & R. He's quick enough to step out and disrupt things... whereas a bigger, plodding C would prob just get burned time & time again. He's also ideal for guarding Pau (although he's a bit short).

MIA will also have a decided advantage on offense with Bosh vs. Howard. D12 has never been able to guard him out on in the high post. Bosh will take his lumps when Howard bullies him down low but he'll be able to give it right back once the ball goes the other way.
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Why would you take out your insanely huge advantage inside for a 3 point shooting defensive siv? There's still going to be plenty of space for both Gasol and Howard, especially with Nash running the show. Probably the most insane idea you've ever had and you're usually spot on with your posts. Gasol and Howard are going to be impossible to score against inside. Teams are going to have to get very hot from the perimeter to have a chance vs LAL.
I am concerned about lack of 3pt shooting in the starting lineup and their bench is quite bad. Plus, with 4 players capable of scoring 20+ anytime they want, you will not fully utilize them. Remember, I said regular season only, not playoffs, it's a different story then. But in the regular season, whatever you lose defensively with Jamison, you make up in better efficiency for Gasol and more spacing on the floor for the starters which will help both howard and kobe.

With Gasol in, you can pack the paint against them and take a chance on artest hitting wide open shots. You know kobe won't accept a spot-up shooter role no matter what, so you can't park him in the corner to make the P&R efficient. And with Brown as their coach, you will need every bit of help to make the offense go smoothly.

Another alternative would be to start jamison at the 3, but at this stage, he won't be able to cover anybody there ...
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I think Nash/Kobe/Peace would be fine in the 3pt shooting department. Nash is probably the best shooter in the league. Peace is a decent shooter and he's actually healthy this year...and in shape. And with Nash feeding him, and him knowing to shoot as soon as he catches it, it will help his percentages. I can easily see him shooting 36%+ from 3. That should be fine. Kobe's not a great 3 pt shooter but he's still Kobe. You can't leave him open.

Plus, we tried Peace off the bench and it didn't work. Jamison won a 6th man of the year award before so he's comfortable with that role. And he's a huge offensive spark plug off the bench which is something the Lakers have been missing.
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Disagree.

Anthony becomes even more valuable for MIA because Nash is deadly in the P & R. He's quick enough to step out and disrupt things... whereas a bigger, plodding C would prob just get burned time & time again.

MIA will also have a decided advantage on offense with Bosh vs. Howard. D12 has never been able to guard him out on in the high post. Bosh will take his lumps when Howard bullies him down low but he'll be able to give it right back once the ball goes the other way.
Howard won't defend bosh, it will be gasol's job. Gasol is a good defender against Bosh because he's very long and can bother his jump shots even if he gives Bosh a little extra space. And with howard patrolling in the paint, he will be 100% free to dedicate to stopping bosh.

And the problem with Anthony is that he's terrible on offense and can't rebound to save his life. LA has so many ways to kill you, that you can be a one trick pony against them. Stopping the P&R will accomplish nothing if Howard can push anthony or Bosh and get close to the basket and Nash will actually find him everytime, unlike nelson who has terrible PG skills.

It won't matter anyway, because Anthony will foul out long before 35 minutes if he has to defend Howard or Gasol.
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I think Nash/Kobe/Peace would be fine in the 3pt shooting department. Nash is probably the best shooter in the league. Peace is a decent shooter and he's actually healthy this year...and in shape. And with Nash feeding him, and him knowing to shoot as soon as he catches it, it will help his percentages. I can easily see him shooting 36%+ from 3. That should be fine. Kobe's not a great 3 pt shooter but he's still Kobe. You can't leave him open.
nash will be driving the ball, he needs other shooters to open up space. Kobe is a good shooter, but he won't be willing to go where he needs to be. And artest is shaky, like we've seen in the playoffs this year where he missed a ton of wide open 3s.
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I guess Dwight is comfortable living under Shaq's shadow. Next stop, Miami.
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Old 08-10-2012, 03:31 PM   #219 (permalink)
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8 hours of sleep later and I still have no idea why ORL would accept garbage 1st round picks, 1 good player on a long term deal and an unproven rookie instead of multiple unproven rookies, good 1st round picks, and a choice of whatever they want on the Rockets roster. Just mindboggling.
Because thriller, thats what happens when stars fuck the team over and demand a trade. You were here for the Carter situation....you don't really think that that was just Toronto execs not know how to do their job do you???

Stars hold teams hostage. The league allows and promotes it.

LA stole Pau, now they steal Howard.
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Because thriller, thats what happens when stars fuck the team over and demand a trade. You were here for the Carter situation....you don't really think that that was just Toronto execs not know how to do their job do you???

Stars hold teams hostage. The league allows and promotes it.

LA stole Pau, now they steal Howard.

Carmello asked to be traded and denver got a great trade.
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