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Old 12-11-2011, 12:38 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Forgot where I read it but, apparently, they backed out of Paul talks and just want Howard right now.
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Old 12-11-2011, 03:15 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Love it.

Dallas team looks way better than last years. If they can just land another good C, they're going to be a tough ass team.

From what I've gathered, Lakers would have to give up Bynum + Gasol to take on Turk and D12.

If that's the case, they're gonna be good but not great. Lakers will surround those 2 with scraps and whatever pieces they can get.

Kidd - Beaubois
VC - Terry - Fernandez
Marion - Odom - Brewer
Dirk - Odom
Haywood - Mahinmi

All we need is a backup 1 (in case Roddy gets injured) and another C and I think these guys are ready for a deep run. Calling it now, VC will resurrect his career.

Now if Beaubois can finally live up to his billing, we'll have a very legitimate chance at repeating.
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I have the feeling this means we're going to see CP3 in a Hornets uniform for the rest of the year. So this makes perfect sense to try to acquire Dwight and let Paul come to them next year for nothing.
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Old 12-11-2011, 03:41 AM   #26 (permalink)
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This whole trade exception idea makes 0 sense...
Why not just trade Odom for Turk straight up, you think Magic wouldn't like that?
And if not... Half the teams in the league would take Odom and run. And Lakers give him to the team that knocked them out last year? Why not Pacers who are desperate for a PF and no threat to Lakers? Why not Bucks?

No, there has to be something else involved. Beaubois? Rudy? Picks?
Or maybe this is just a rumour.
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This whole trade exception idea makes 0 sense...
Assuming it's not essential to a bigger strategy of the Lakers. If they are doing this, there could be a reason none of us know about.

Also, after checking the salaries, it's unclear, to me at least, whether or not the TPE generated would even be big enough to absorb Turk. Hedo makes more than Odom. I'm not sure what the salary percentages are for TPEs in the new CBA. I think I read somewhere that a team in the luxury tax, such as the Lakers, could take back 125% of the player traded via the exception. In that case it works. But I've also read other bloggers who write as if it has to be dollar for dollar.

If the TPE is too small for Turk, then it's part of a different move. DanH, where are you?

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Why not just trade Odom for Turk straight up, you think Magic wouldn't like that?
Maybe they would, maybe not. If it was Odom + Gasol, then they could keep competing for the playoffs right now. However, If they finally part ways with Howard, they might be looking to rebuild. They might want financial relief + prospect(s). In that case, maybe L.A. is getting something back from Dallas via another trade and then will be packaging that to Orlando.


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Half the teams in the league would take Odom and run.
I agree. But if the next stage in the Lakers chess game involves absorbing a shit contract, and the TPE is the only way to do that, then the TPE has value. Even if another team would give picks for Odom, if your trading partner wants financial relief, the TPE is more important.

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And Lakers give him to the team that knocked them out last year? Why not Pacers who are desperate for a PF and no threat to Lakers? Why not Bucks?
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No, there has to be something else involved. Beaubois? Rudy? Picks?
If it's true, I would think there would be something else, too. There might be another stage to the trade. Sometimes two teams make a trade involving exceptions but then file it with the league as multipe transactions, since a TPE can only be used for one player. Yeah, maybe in the second stage L.A sends a shit player to Dallas for one of the things you listed.

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Maybe.
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Old 12-11-2011, 04:55 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I see the value of the TPE -- but this would be the least reasonable route to get it. You can create it by giving Odom to a lowly Eastern conference team with cap space.
So, yes, I'll wait for the other details before I'll celebrate Cuban's genius here.

Beaubois and some picks would make a lot of sense btw. If I'm the Magic, Beaubois, picks and Bynum is far more interesting than Odom and Bynum.
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Can't they use the TPE and Mavs' pick they acquired to replace Odom in the Paul trade? That seems reasonable.
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Well they can use a TPE for a lot of things, the question is what they got NEXT to the TPE.
Like, you mention Dallas pick. Are you guessing? Or did you see any specifics?
If it's just a Dallas pick, that seems way too little for Odom.

Re original Paul trade - they didn't need Odom or TPE in there. Lakers weren't taking on money. But obviously that trade is off, and the new one seems off, and if there's a third one, who knows what that one looks like.

Anyway, whatever they got for Odom - if that's even real - they'll find a way to use. But it would be nice to know what they got
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The deal was Odom for TPE and Mavs' first rounder. I'm asking if they can just replace Odom with TPE + pick in the deal? Houston still gets Pau, Hornets get Scola, Martin, TPE, picks. That way Hornets get younger players and cap relief.
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Old 12-11-2011, 05:34 AM   #32 (permalink)
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well you can't trade a TPE as such. You can use it to absorb salary of some player, then the other team creates its own TPE.
Like, Lakers can take on Ariza and Hornets get an Ariza-sized TPE.
Idk how valuable would that be for the Hornets, however.

Anyway, again, Odom for Dallas pick sounds like a BS trade. There's got to be more. A simultaneous trade of Steve Blake for Corey Brewer and Beaubois, or something along those lines to make it sensible for LA.
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I have the feeling this means we're going to see CP3 in a Hornets uniform for the rest of the year. So this makes perfect sense to try to acquire Dwight and let Paul come to them next year for nothing.
Paul wouldn't go to the lakers as a FA he intends to go to NY
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Paul wouldn't go to the lakers as a FA he intends to go to NY
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Assuming it's not essential to a bigger strategy of the Lakers. If they are doing this, there could be a reason none of us know about.

Also, after checking the salaries, it's unclear, to me at least, whether or not the TPE generated would even be big enough to absorb Turk. Hedo makes more than Odom. I'm not sure what the salary percentages are for TPEs in the new CBA. I think I read somewhere that a team in the luxury tax, such as the Lakers, could take back 125% of the player traded via the exception. In that case it works. But I've also read other bloggers who write as if it has to be dollar for dollar.

If the TPE is too small for Turk, then it's part of a different move. DanH, where are you?



Maybe they would, maybe not. If it was Odom + Gasol, then they could keep competing for the playoffs right now. However, If they finally part ways with Howard, they might be looking to rebuild. They might want financial relief + prospect(s). In that case, maybe L.A. is getting something back from Dallas via another trade and then will be packaging that to Orlando.




I agree. But if the next stage in the Lakers chess game involves absorbing a shit contract, and the TPE is the only way to do that, then the TPE has value. Even if another team would give picks for Odom, if your trading partner wants financial relief, the TPE is more important.



Good question.



If it's true, I would think there would be something else, too. There might be another stage to the trade. Sometimes two teams make a trade involving exceptions but then file it with the league as multipe transactions, since a TPE can only be used for one player. Yeah, maybe in the second stage L.A sends a shit player to Dallas for one of the things you listed.



Maybe.
The TPE is too small for Turk. Tax paying teams can absorb 125% of their outgoing salary in an instantaneous trade - in a non-instantaneous trade like this, the TPE will still be 100% of the traded player's salary, based on what we know.

No idea what the Lakers' play is here.
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Earl K. Sneed: Dirk on the Odom trade: "I don't even know what [a trade exception] is, but we turned nothing into a great player." Twitter
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The TPE is too small for Turk. Tax paying teams can absorb 125% of their outgoing salary in an instantaneous trade - in a non-instantaneous trade like this, the TPE will still be 100% of the traded player's salary, based on what we know.

No idea what the Lakers' play is here.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Kupchak: Lamar Odom demanded a trade

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Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak spoke to reporters Monday for the first time in a week, discussing the Chris Paul trade that was nixed by the NBA, the Lamar Odom trade that was vetoed by Lakers fans and the ever-tightening financial vice surrounding free-spending NBA teams.

"Lamar was sent to Dallas because he requested to be traded," said Kupchak, who referenced Odom's frustration with being involved in the blocked Paul trade. "In this case, he couldn't get over the fact that something like that could took place. I was hoping that things would change in a day or two but his representative called me on Saturday and said that's not going to change."


"I wouldn't lump Kobe and Lamar into the same category when talking about those same two situations," Kupchak said. "Yeah, we could have said, 'Lamar, we're not going to trade you,' and waited to see what was going to happen in the next week or two, but we chose not to do that.

"The window to make a deal in this environment where you really can get back flexibility, it goes away in the snap of the fingers. So to have waited two or three weeks would have just prolonged an environment with Lamar when he's not at practice and would have sucked energy away from the team. We might not have had a better opportunity."


But wouldn't Odom have been a useful piece in a Dwight Howard trade offer?

"There was no big deal available to us when we made this decision," Kupchak said.

He then insisted the Lakers weren't done looking for ways to improve.

"We are pursuing big deals right now," he said without naming specifics.

There were no guarantees, though. There never can be when trades are the topic.
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I guess if he refused to show up at camp and practice it makes sense to just get rid of him. I didn't know he was such a drama queen.
Still, that was extremely low price.
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I'm amazed that the Lakers did that TBH....

They're a veteran-laden championship-calibre team. Why would they be worried about a guy like him being a "distraction"?

As long as you have Kobe and Pau in training camp I'd imagine you'd be good, no?
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