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Old 06-12-2011, 01:20 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Being a pure shooter also means making a high percentage of your shots. Majerle was not a very good shooter in his career. He was a tough player who in his prime took a high volume of shots. He was a gunslinger, but not a great shooter. We're talking pure shooters here, and Majerle doesn't belong on any top-10 list. For his career, Majerle shot 43.1% from the field, 35.8% from 3-point range, and 74.1% from the FT line. A guy with such pedestrian numbers should not be on any top-10 list of pure shooters.

I also find it ironic that you would say that Majerle had a beautiful stroke but totally discount Mullin's shot. He, too, had a great stroke. Actually, he had much better form than Majerle. The other difference is that Mullin actually hit a higher percentage of his shots (50.9% from the field, 38.4% from 3-point range, 86.5% FT).

Petrovic definitely deserves to be on the list despite him playing only four seasons. If you're using form as one criterion, then Petrovic deserves to be on the list. But factor in his high efficiency and production, he should be in the top-10. Watching him shoot was a thing of beauty.

The other problem with you using 'stroke' as a major criterion is that this would mean a player like Reggie Miller should be excluded from every list because he had an unusual shooting form. On the release, he brought crossed his shooting hand over to the left instead of following through towards the target. No one would teach a young player to shoot in this way, but for Miller he was effective and efficient - two major criteria when assessing who should be considered a sharp shooter and who should not be.

West also deserves to be included. Too many people associate pure shooting with 3-point shooting. But given that the 3-point line didn't exist during West's time, West or any other player of his and previous generations should not be punished for this. West was indeed a clutch player, but he made a big shots from the perimeter. He had a very good stroke, and he was deadly from wherever he was on the court.

On Nash and Nowitzki, I have no problem with seeing their names on any top-10 list. Similarly, I have no problem with seeing someone like Mark Price receive consideration, as well as Steve Kerr and John Paxon, who were great shooters.
Like I said tough call, I wouldn't just use percentage made though otherwise no way Bird should be #1
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Old 06-12-2011, 01:42 PM   #22 (permalink)
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who exactly would drazen replace? yes, it's unfortunate he died, but it would also be unfortunate having him replace someone like danny ainge or byron scott who did it for 10+ when drazen has two impressive seasons in the NBA. i'm soooo tired of hearing about drazen. reggie lewis was a better player. lets remember him instead.
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The only pure shooter I know of is A.C. Green.
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Old 06-12-2011, 01:45 PM   #24 (permalink)
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i don't want to sound like a dick talking about someone who died, but i really don't get why he constantly gets brought up.
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Old 06-12-2011, 02:06 PM   #25 (permalink)
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i don't want to sound like a dick talking about someone who died, but i really don't get why he constantly gets brought up.
Look at what he did in the 2 seasons he really got to play in the NBA and the Olympics and other leagues. He is a pure shooter there is no arguing that.
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Old 06-12-2011, 02:07 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Like I said tough call, I wouldn't just use percentage made though otherwise no way Bird should be #1
Bird still had very good to great percentages:
- 49.6% FG
- 37.6% 3-Point FGs
- 88.6% FT

Those are still way above Majerle's numbers.

Let's use a baseball analogy to demonstrate the point that I'm making regarding form, stroke, production, and efficiency. A pitcher could have the best form with repetitive arm action and great stuff, but if he cannot throw strikes, change speeds, and doesn't keep the ball low in the zone, he'll get hit hard. Brandon Morrow is a great example.

Another baseball analogy is a hitter. He could have the sweetest swing in the majors, but if he has a terrible eye or hits .260 with minimal power and a low OPS, who cares if he has a sweet swing?

It's the same thing when speaking about the best pure shooters to ever play the game. It's a combination of form, stroke, production, and efficiency.

BTW, thanks to the other posters who supported my nomination of Petrovic. If he hadn't died at such a young age, he may have been one of the best SGs of his generation. He was an outstanding shooter.
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Old 06-12-2011, 02:10 PM   #27 (permalink)
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who exactly would drazen replace? yes, it's unfortunate he died, but it would also be unfortunate having him replace someone like danny ainge or byron scott who did it for 10+ when drazen has two impressive seasons in the NBA. i'm soooo tired of hearing about drazen. reggie lewis was a better player. lets remember him instead.
I didn't include Danny Ainge or Byron Scott because they were the 4th or 5th options on their team. If we're going to include role players on the list, may as well include Jed Buechler, Steve Kerr, John Paxon, B.J. Armstrong, and many others.

To me, to be on this list, one has to not only have great form, but have great production and efficiency as well as be depended upon by one's team to be a key offensive player. Neither Ainge nor Scott were top offensive options on their teams.
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Look at what he did in the 2 seasons he really got to play in the NBA and the Olympics and other leagues. He is a pure shooter there is no arguing that.
i'm not arguing whether he was a pure shooter or not. it's the NBA's all-time best shooter list. a player with four years NBA experience, tragedy or not, should not be in an all-time list.
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Drazen is best European basketball player of all time. Look how he dominated FIBA, Euros and then NBA. He was so underrated there, and he was like one of the first internationals. Nevertheless, his per minute numbers always were dominant. And who is better than him? Reggie Lewis...? Really? Drazen is basketball legend, end of story.
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I didn't include Danny Ainge or Byron Scott because they were the 4th or 5th options on their team. If we're going to include role players on the list, may as well include Jed Buechler, Steve Kerr, John Paxon, B.J. Armstrong, and many others.

To me, to be on this list, one has to not only have great form, but have great production and efficiency as well as be depended upon by one's team to be a key offensive player. Neither Ainge nor Scott were top offensive options on their teams.
fourth or fifth options vary between situations. both players were part of the arguably strongest and deepest teams the NBA has ever seen before. also, i think you're confusing pure shooter with spot-up shooter.

still doesn't justify drazen. hey, i respect that you know who he is
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fourth or fifth options vary between situations. both players were part of the arguably strongest and deepest teams the NBA has ever seen before. also, i think you're confusing pure shooter with spot-up shooter.

still doesn't justify drazen. hey, i respect that you know who he is
I haven't seen a single justification for why he should be excluded.

And I'm not sure what your point is about pure shooter vs. spot-up shooter. Danny Ainge had good form, but he was a spot-up shooter. To me, a pure shooter is a guy who can get his shot up at any time, has a quick release, and is very productive while still making a high percentage of his shots (i.e., efficiency).
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Drazen is best European basketball player of all time. Look how he dominated FIBA, Euros and then NBA. He was so underrated there, and he was like one of the first internationals. Nevertheless, his per minute numbers always were dominant. And who is better than him? Reggie Lewis...? Really? Drazen is basketball legend, end of story.
No discounting Drazens ability at all but I can see where JF is coming from. The article is talking about all time greatest pure shooters in NBA history, everyone on the list had a substantial career - not someone who might've been and very well could've been in the top 3 based on a very limited time. It's unfortunate but reality is guys on the list have proven themselves to be on it, not based on what might've been.

There seems to be an indirect argument of what this article is about.
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sorry, i think the two things i've said is enough justification needed. he wasn't in the league long enough to be compared against players who did it for over ten years. also, him being an international success means sweet fuck all considering the list was an all-nba comparison. the list doesn't care about the euro-league or olympics.

my point about pure shooter and spot-up shooter were from you bringing up players like armstrong and kerr. ainge was a lot more involved in the offense and was a more diverse score.
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No discounting Drazens ability at all but I can see where JF is coming from. The article is talking about all time greatest pure shooters in NBA history, everyone on the list had a substantial career - not someone who might've been and very well could've been in the top 3 based on a very limited time. It's unfortunate but reality is guys on the list have proven themselves to be on it, not based on what might've been.

There seems to be an indirect argument of what this article is about.
Well, we all think different. and that lists are relative. I personally think top 10 should be about just top 10 best pure shooters. I see you think it should be about the best and these who left the biggest mark in the NBA as a pure shooters, and thats what NBA all time list is all about.
Drazen's mark is kinda small, just 255 3 points made if i remember it correctly, but the fact that he was so good shooter and better than almost anyone else should made him on that list.
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Well, we all think different. and that lists are relative. I personally think top 10 should be about just top 10 best pure shooters. I see you think it should be about the best and these who left the biggest mark in the NBA as a pure shooters, and thats what NBA all time list is all about.
Drazen's mark is kinda small, just 255 3 points made if i remember it correctly, but the fact that he was so good shooter and better than almost anyone else should made him on that list.
Well, like I said, in the context of pure shooter, taking out a lengthy career, very few players would come close to his ability. I think the article was about the best but in regards as a pure shooter then Drazen and Dirk and others should be on there.
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Bird still had very good to great percentages:
- 49.6% FG
- 37.6% 3-Point FGs
- 88.6% FT

Those are still way above Majerle's numbers.
ok I see what you are doing, you do know Birds 49.6%FG is not purely from a shooters perspective, but a helluva lot of lay-ups? And Majerle was definitely a better shooter than Mullin. I think you need to break down the numbers of that FG%. Bird was an average shooter till play offs, he's certainly not better than Miller or Allen.
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Old 06-12-2011, 06:55 PM   #39 (permalink)
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How did Peja make it up there over Dirk?
Because Peja is like top 5 in three point shooting, and he was absolutly beast in his sacramento days.
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ok I see what you are doing, you do know Birds 49.6%FG is not purely from a shooters perspective, but a helluva lot of lay-ups? And Majerle was definitely a better shooter than Mullin. I think you need to break down the numbers of that FG%. Bird was an average shooter till play offs, he's certainly not better than Miller or Allen.
Majerle wasn't a better shooter than Mullin. I'm not sure what your infatuation is with Majerle, but he was a good player on the Suns. He wasn't a good shooter, though. The numbers point it out. And if you watched Mullin play, he was an exception shooter and playmaker. Majerle may have more 3-point FGs, but 3-point shots aren't the only statistic or ability to assess a player. Mullin had an outstanding mid-range game and was more efficient from beyond the arc than Majerle.

And Bird wasn't an average shooter. You don't shoot almost 50% by being an average shooter. And his mid-range game, like Mullin's, was exceptional. But I guess by your logic, a guy with a career 43% FG% is a better shooter than a guy who shot over 49% and another guy who shot over 50% from the field.

I think you should go on an NBA forum or ask one of the experts if Dan Majerle is one of the best pure shooters to ever play the game and if he should be rated higher than Mullin. I would put money down that the vast majority would agree with my position.
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