NBA to start blood testing for HGH
Old 02-06-2013, 07:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Commissioner David Stern said Wednesday that he expects the NBA will follow Major League Baseball’s lead by adopting blood testing for Human Growth Hormone (HGH).

“We watch what’s going on in baseball, we watch the negotiations that are going in with football, and it is my expectation that by next season [we] will be doing blood testing for HGH,” Stern told WCCO radio in Minnesota. “Our players have been terrific. They lead this in some ways, saying, ‘ We do not want to have anything less than the best.’ That’s been the way it’s been since 1983.”

The NBA has been exploring the issue for some time. In Dec. 2011, after the conclusion of the lockout, NBA.com reported that HGH testing would be phased in once a reliable testing procedure could be determined.

Stern said Wednesday that testing hadn’t been implemented to this point because “there hasn’t been a favored testing protocol yet” and stated that he didn’t believe the NBA has a serious problem with HGH, which is on the league’s list of banned substances.

“If I say I don’t have a concern, everyone says I’m a Pollyanna,” Stern said. “I don’t have any reason to know one way or another. My guess is and my hope is that it’s not widely used in the NBA.”
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It's a joke. I look to it be as lax as the other testing already in place. Yeh, the players are leading the way. It's weak-ass shit to the point of being useless. If you get you fourth test in the bag about now, you don't have to worry at all until November. You're free to do whatever for the playoffs. You can shoot up heroin through the off-season if you like.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
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dwight's in trouble if they implement a real system
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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yah right, Stern is focused 100% on profits. He could give a crap if players are doping.
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unless you're Rashard Lewis of course.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Lebron has been taking this with every meal since he was like 5.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:55 PM   #7 (permalink)
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looks like lebron will have to cycle on and off when he's warned before hand of the test date.
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looks like lebron will have to cycle on and off when he's warned before hand of the test date.
Of course he must do steroids! Shit better check Kobe then too! You can't be good without roids!
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:03 AM   #10 (permalink)
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HGH isn't steroids.

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To be quite honest, if I were the owner of a team I'd supply it myself to help my guys recover.
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Of course he must do steroids! Shit better check Kobe then too! You can't be good without roids!
Do you even know what HGH is?
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It's a joke. I look to it be as lax as the other testing already in place. Yeh, the players are leading the way. It's weak-ass shit to the point of being useless. If you get you fourth test in the bag about now, you don't have to worry at all until November. You're free to do whatever for the playoffs. You can shoot up heroin through the off-season if you like.
exactly, they could potentially rig it so all the good teams, or people stern might think do it, to finish all 4 tests by feb or march. they then have april and the playoffs to do whatever they please
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how long does hgh stay in your blood system. i wonder if you'd notice significant size difference in players once they implement this.
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looks like lebron will have to cycle on and off when he's warned before hand of the test date.
He must be using deer antler spray under that headband too.
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a pretty good piece about PEDs by Simmons recently

The Sports Guy on performance-enhancing drugs - Grantland

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The following anecdote is 100 percent true …

NBA players get tested up to four times during the course of a season. The fourth time can happen at any point from October to June, but once it happens, that's it. So if your fourth test occurs after your 71st game, you're clear the rest of the way. It's a running joke within NBA circles, something of a get-out-of-jail-free card: Once you pee in that fourth cup, you're good to go. Put whatever you want into your body. Feel like smoking enough weed to make Harold and Kumar blush? Knock yourself out. Feel like replacing your blood with cleaner blood so you have more endurance for the playoffs? Knock yourself out. Feel like starting a testosterone cycle because you might have to play 25 grueling playoff games over the next 10 weeks? Knock yourself out. Remember how competitive these guys are. What would they do for an edge? How far would they go? And why are we giving them the choice?

The following anecdote is also 100 percent true …

Not everyone tests for elevated testosterone. For the leagues or sports that do, they must account for people with naturally elevated levels of testosterone. That threshold is higher than you think because they're accounting for biological outliers — some athletes might naturally have twice as much testosterone as the average person. All right, so let's say you're an NFL player that has to test three times higher than the "average" threshold before getting flagged. Conceivably, you could rely on a controlled amount of HGH, something that bumps you up … just not TOO high. Maybe you jack up your testosterone levels a little under three times higher than they should be. Guess what? That's still legal! Do they have patches that can briefly bump up your levels without prolonged traces? Yes, they do! Did one famous athlete (not an NFL player) use that patch on his testicles to bump his levels close to that threshold, fall asleep, keep his patch on too long and subsequently fail his next test? Yes, he did! It's amazing this doesn't happen more often.

The following anecdote is also 100 percent true …

When Bertrand Berry and Ty Warren suffered a complete tear of their triceps, it took them six months to recover. When Arizona left tackle Levi Brown suffered a complete tear of his triceps in August 2012, the Cardinals immediately put him on their season-ending injured list. When Ray Lewis suffered a complete tear of his triceps in mid-October, we thought he was finished for the season … only he returned to action a little more than two months later. During the third month of his "recovery," he made 17 tackles in a double-overtime playoff game in Denver. In 13-degree weather. At age 37.

So when Lewis's name landed in this week's PED scandal, nobody tumbled over in shock. We wasted the rest of Super Bowl week talking about him, wondering whether he cheated, watching his denial for signs that he was lying, Googling "deer antler spray" and talking about everything other than the game. Eventually, the moment will pass, like it always does. Nothing will change. Sadly, the collective irresponsibility of some sports media members — call it "cornballbrotheritis" — ruined any rational media member's chances to question the current environment. You don't trust our ability to handle such a loaded subject, nor should you. We've ruined your trust too many times.

I just know that athletes shouldn't be able to have it both ways. Don't hide behind your players unions and allow your player reps to fight against better drug testing, then flip out if Jalen Rose and I decide to have an impromptu "Who's On Your 'I Need To See You Pee In A Cup' Team This Year?" podcast. Again, we have the technology now. We can protect clean players from competing against dirty ones. Why aren't we using it? Henry Abbott's exhaustive piece on the NBA and PEDs made a fantastic point: Why did FIFA make biological passports (the single best way to catch cheaters right now) mandatory for the 2014 World Cup, but the NBA can't even convince its players to allow blood testing?

Really? You're that fearful of what we'd find in your blood, NBA players? If you're not fearful, why allow your representatives to make it seem like you're that fearful? How can you expect me NOT to wonder if you're cheating? Especially when so many other world-class athletes are cheating? Are you really expecting me to believe that Don MacLean, Matt Geiger, Soumaila Samake, Lindsey Hunter, Darius Miles, Rashard Lewis and O.J. Mayo — seven guys with a combined two All-Star appearances — were the only NBA players who ever used banned performance enhancers?

Let's see what's in everyone's body, once and for all. I think you'd be surprised. You'd wonder if some were glorified junkies. You'd be confused about why we placed such a belated priority on concussion awareness while continuing to ignore HGH and steroids and painkillers. Why wasn't the recent story about the NFL's Toradol waiver a bigger deal? What's the difference between taking HGH and Toradol, anyway? What does the word "performance enhancer" really mean? It's OK to borrow a dead person's ligament to regain your 95-mph fastball, but it's not OK to boost your testosterone for those same results? It's OK to travel to Germany to inject stem cells into your damaged knee to stimulate recovery and regeneration, but it's not OK to replace your blood with better blood to increase your stamina?

How did we decide what's right and wrong? Did we just arbitrarily make up a bunch of rules with no correlation to one another? Why won't our favorite athletes help us out by pushing for more accountability within their sports? The goal should be simple: total transparency. Every American professional league should have the best possible testing. Period. And if athletes don't think it's fair … well, I don't think it's fair that some of them cheat. So there.
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Who cares? Every sport is fucking tainted now, it's a world that will cheat to line their pockets with money. This further shows the decline of human morals and ethics, just as Einstein had predicted back in the 50's.
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Who cares? Every sport is fucking tainted now, it's a world that will cheat to line their pockets with money. This further shows the decline of human morals and ethics, just as Einstein had predicted back in the 50's.
Are we supposed to think he's a genius or something?
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:23 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Maybe.. Maybe not.. It's very possible he could have ingested some psychopsilocybin to come up with some of his theories though, that's for sure. lol :{P
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Yeah - there are always questions. You get really pumped about a guy like Usain Bolt, but only partially - there are always neurons firing that make it clear that it's not entirely real.

I watch tennis and constantly get blown away by the level so many guys are at today. In my mind there's no way Federer is close to being the best ever, because he won so many slams against a random selection of guys no better than Jose Ferrer. But what if this new crop of players just juice all the time? It really throws everything off. It ends up being about nothing else than money. It commodifies every aspect of competing in professional sports to the point that there is very little fun left over to allow for the connection to non-professional competing that we might know and love for ourselves, or for the connection to the kid in us that likes to marvel at these feats, and hold on to them in our memories. By raising up the level of performance, the various performance enhancers are diminishing the essence and meaning of sports to an extent that it's getting hard to allow ourselves to connect to them at all.
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Yeah - there are always questions. You get really pumped about a guy like Usain Bolt, but only partially - there are always neurons firing that make it clear that it's not entirely real.

I watch tennis and constantly get blown away by the level so many guys are at today. In my mind there's no way Federer is close to being the best ever, because he won so many slams against a random selection of guys no better than Jose Ferrer. But what if this new crop of players just juice all the time? It really throws everything off. It ends up being about nothing else than money. It commodifies every aspect of competing in professional sports to the point that there is very little fun left over to allow for the connection to non-professional competing that we might know and love for ourselves, or for the connection to the kid in us that likes to marvel at these feats, and hold on to them in our memories. By raising up the level of performance, the various performance enhancers are diminishing the essence and meaning of sports to an extent that it's getting hard to allow ourselves to connect to them at all.
Not to turn this into a tennis thread but....

Fed's won 10 slams since 2006... which is when Rafa won his first French Open title (and was around the time when Novak started to really emerge).

He's also been Runner-up 7 at slams times in that same span.

Between 2003 and 2006 when he was "playing against nobodies" he won slams against Agassi, Hewitt and Roddick (twice).

And lastly.... he's been dominant for the last decade on EVERY surface. He's not just a hard court guy... or a clay court specialist.

If he's not the best ever (and this is something that EVERY tennis pro and analyst acknowledges at this point) I'd like to know who is.
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