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West Coast NBA Fan 07-31-2011 09:14 PM

NBA Relocation
 
If the NBA were to hypothetically have just one more relocation, which would make the most sense and be best for the league as a whole?

js12 07-31-2011 09:46 PM

Not sure what are the best teams to relocate, but I guess Charlotte would be near the top of my list. It has very little history in the city and is struggling financially. Ideally, Seattle and Vancouver deserve another chance for an NBA team. Not sure that will work though since it would unbalance the conferences.

jeffb 07-31-2011 09:47 PM

I vote for Seattle to get whatever franchise.

pzabby 07-31-2011 09:53 PM

u see, i would love to get canada another team but two points cross my mind.

a) jeff already said it, seattle is far more deserving of a franchise before vancouver

B) we gotta face it, vancouvers a much nicer city than toronto and with toronto already having trouble getting players to come here, wouldnt it be worse, from torontos perspective, in terms of losing potential signings? as well, the fan support would be divided and if toronto really doesnt get its act together by dealing with the mlse issue, fan viewership will start to go down, unlike past years, because their is another team that they can cheer for for national pride

jeffb 07-31-2011 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 563001)
u see, i would love to get canada another team but two points cross my mind.

a) jeff already said it, seattle is far more deserving of a franchise before vancouver

B) we gotta face it, vancouvers a much nicer city than toronto and with toronto already having trouble getting players to come here, wouldnt it be worse, from torontos perspective, in terms of losing potential signings? as well, the fan support would be divided and if toronto really doesnt get its act together by dealing with the mlse issue, fan viewership will start to go down, unlike past years, because their is another team that they can cheer for for national pride


I wouldn't worry about less players wanting to come here b/c Vancouver was in the NBA, in fact more players would rather go to Seattle then go to either Vancouver or Toronto. And i don't think viewship would take a hit. IMO Toronto is on the right path to succeed in the near future. I just think that Vancouver was a disaster the first time and it only took all of 5yrs before the rumblings of them moving started coming up.

West Coast NBA Fan 07-31-2011 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by js12 (Post 562999)
Not sure what are the best teams to relocate, but I guess Charlotte would be near the top of my list. It has very little history in the city and is struggling financially. Ideally, Seattle and Vancouver deserve another chance for an NBA team. Not sure that will work though since it would unbalance the conferences.

The problem with Charlotte and Memphis is that they both have massive out clause penalties if they move. Both cities have very new buildings and they're still being paid for so if the teams were to leave, they would have to pay a ton to get out of their lease and that would make the relocation not make sense from a financial standpoint.

I say New Orleans to Seattle is by far the best but with no plans for a new arena yet, Seattle is still not in the driver's seat.

Next best is Vancouver. Let's not forget that the fanbase was really good. They averaged around 16 or 17,000 for their first 4 years and that was with teams going 15-67, 14-68, 19-63 and then a league worst 8-42 in the lockout year.

Attendance dropped to 13,000 in year 5 because everyone thought they were St. Louis bound and then it was the same in year 6 due to them knowing that it was going to relocate to Memphis.

The major issue was the Canadian dollar and the lack of corporate and broadcast revenue. Not to mention the lack of a local buyer. Those aren't problems now as Canuck ownership has said that they will buy the Hornets, the Canadian dollar is on par with the US dollar and that is a plus as far as getting corporate and broadcast revenue.

Also, China and the Phillipines are good NBA markets and the city is over a third Chinese and Filipino so you have the makings of a good fan base to go with the fans that packed the house in the first 4 years in the first go around.

Scully 07-31-2011 11:02 PM

I picked other. They should shut NOLA and the kings down. They are just going to bleed money for the next 5 years anyway not matter were the put them.

West Coast NBA Fan 07-31-2011 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scully (Post 563016)
I picked other. They should shut NOLA and the kings down. They are just going to bleed money for the next 5 years anyway not matter were the put them.

Contraction would be a possibility but that's easier said than done.

The Hornets aren't a problem because they are already owned by the league but the Kings aren't up for sale so you can't force an ownership group to contract if they still want to keep hold of their team.

Yes, they are bleeding money in bad markets like New Orleans. But I think it has more to do with New Orleans being a horrible market for the NBA. If you put them in a better market with a strong fan base like Seattle, they would be profitable assuming a new building goes up. They have a small payroll so profitability wouldn't be a problem, especially with a favorable cba for the owners most likely coming up.

Toby 08-01-2011 02:11 AM

other (specify)
NBA says they broke, owners say they broke, players can't say anything or Stern will fine them a million bucks. I unfortunately see the weaker branches being cut off the NBA tree.

West Coast NBA Fan 08-01-2011 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby (Post 563029)
other (specify)
NBA says they broke, owners say they broke, players can't say anything or Stern will fine them a million bucks. I unfortunately see the weaker branches being cut off the NBA tree.

Players can say what they want. There is nothing that Stern can do about it.

OTOH, Stern will fine any owner a million bucks if they comment on the cba negotiations. He's hoping to maintain as much leverage as possible and let the players make foolish comments like they did in '98.

jj33 08-02-2011 04:28 PM

Fuck Stern!!! Is it me or he is booed wherever he goes??

West Coast NBA Fan 08-02-2011 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jj33 (Post 563293)
Fuck Stern!!! Is it me or he is booed wherever he goes??

Yes, he does. I'm betting that this is his last hurrah. He'll negotiate a good deal for the owners then step down and let Adam Silver take over. Silver will then, hopefully and in accordance with this board, have the league sell the Hornets to an ownership group in Vancouver or Seattle.

Scully 08-02-2011 09:30 PM

I don't think Seattle is any better then New Orleans.

I don't understand all the hate for Stern. The guy made the NBA what it is today, sure last few seasons he has been little heavy handed, but I argue he has done almost everything with the larger picture in mind.

West Coast NBA Fan 08-03-2011 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Scully (Post 563335)
I don't think Seattle is any better then New Orleans.

I don't understand all the hate for Stern. The guy made the NBA what it is today, sure last few seasons he has been little heavy handed, but I argue he has done almost everything with the larger picture in mind.

I agree but unfortunately, as the other poster said, he is villified everywhere and is blamed for everything that goes wrong. People have short memories. He may have accomplished a lot but people want to see what has happened lately and they'll all bring up Seattle and Donaghy.

Not only that but he's getting old. Commissioners usually don't last much longer than their 70th birthday and with a good cba in place, he will have accomplished his final goal.

powerfulpanda 08-03-2011 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Scully (Post 563335)
I don't think Seattle is any better then New Orleans.

I don't understand all the hate for Stern. The guy made the NBA what it is today, sure last few seasons he has been little heavy handed, but I argue he has done almost everything with the larger picture in mind.

what do u mean Seattle isn't any better than new orleans? Seattle has the 15th best market and 40 years of basketball tradition. it is a great and knowledgeable sports city with over 3 million people living in metro seattle

jeffb 08-03-2011 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scully (Post 563335)
I don't think Seattle is any better then New Orleans.

I don't understand all the hate for Stern. The guy made the NBA what it is today, sure last few seasons he has been little heavy handed, but I argue he has done almost everything with the larger picture in mind.

Stern is one of the best Comissioner's in sports and he was extremely popular until the three amigo's and now the lockout (which happens with any lockout other then the NFL).

carp 08-03-2011 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 563447)
Stern is one of the best Comissioner's in sports and he was extremely popular until the three amigo's and now the lockout (which happens with any lockout other then the NFL).

three amigos?

Has any commissioner ever really been popular?

jeffb 08-03-2011 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 563464)
three amigos?

Has any commissioner ever really been popular?

Bud selig for a while, Stern for many years, Goodell

carp 08-03-2011 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 563467)
Bud selig for a while, Stern for many years, Goodell

Ah Bud Selig.... Milwaukee loves you, but that was a pretty dumb All-star decision. Which one? Both.

I'll give you Bettman too. Wasn't he the genius behind the Fox genius behind the laser pucks? The good ol' days!

jeffb 08-03-2011 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 563468)
Ah Bud Selig.... Milwaukee loves you, but that was a pretty dumb All-star decision. Which one? Both.

I'll give you Bettman too. Wasn't he the genius behind the Fox genius behind the laser pucks? The good ol' days!

Selig for years was very popular, yes until the all-star debacle. But even now he isn't all that hated overall, probably mostly indifference.

Bettman has been hated for a long time in Canada, in the US not many people if asked would even know who the NHL comissioner is outside of the small demographic of actual fans.


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