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Old 05-23-2012, 07:33 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I don't think NBA coaches are swayed much by past reputation - these guys know what's going on moreso than anybody else.
Maybe so, but simple logic states you cannot be the best of the best, yet not be on the first team.

How th fuck can Chandler be the DPOY and not be the first team center?

Its brutal, and they continue to take the fans as idiots (which they are for not bitching about this stuff)
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My 1st team would go something like this:

Rondo
Tony Allen
Deng
LeBron
Dwight

edit: Based on this year I guess I'd put Chandler over Dwight at C.
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Old 05-23-2012, 07:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Maybe so, but simple logic states you cannot be the best of the best, yet not be on the first team.

How th fuck can Chandler be the DPOY and not be the first team center?

Its brutal, and they continue to take the fans as idiots (which they are for not bitching about this stuff)
LOL I was about to say that, too funnyyy
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Old 05-23-2012, 08:36 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Don, you know what it is right, it's all ridiculous marketing and a little kissin gof the players asses to get them more exposure.

"Oh don't worry Dwight, we'll get you a little pull for you upcoming FA adventures, how does first team center sound?"

"That sounds fair guys, thanks dawg"

Chandler: "What the FUCK!"
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Old 05-23-2012, 09:19 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Maybe so, but simple logic states you cannot be the best of the best, yet not be on the first team.

How th fuck can Chandler be the DPOY and not be the first team center?
They're voted on by different people. DPOY media, All-D team by coaches (or whoever they had the ballot off to)
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If healthy, Dwight is the best defender in the NBA. Can you really fault coaches for selecting him over Chandler?
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Old 05-23-2012, 10:32 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Old 05-23-2012, 11:56 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Only fairweather fans think Kobe is still an elite defender. He stopped being an elite defender about 4 years ago. Hes average AT BEST now. He cant keep anyone with handle infront of him anymore.

My teams would have been:

Bradley
Allen
Lebron
KG
Chandler

Conley
Sefolosha
Iguodala
Ibaka
Howard
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Only fairweather fans think Kobe is still an elite defender. He stopped being an elite defender about 4 years ago. Hes average AT BEST now. He cant keep anyone with handle infront of him anymore.

My teams would have been:

Bradley
Allen
Lebron
KG
Chandler

Conley
Sefolosha
Iguodala
Ibaka
Howard
Shoot! I forgot Bradley. He definitely should have been 1st team.
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Old 05-24-2012, 01:12 AM   #31 (permalink)
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They're voted on by different people. DPOY media, All-D team by coaches (or whoever they had the ballot off to)
thats what I kinda assumed.

Seems pretty silly to me
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:25 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Only fairweather fans think Kobe is still an elite defender. He stopped being an elite defender about 4 years ago. Hes average AT BEST now. He cant keep anyone with handle infront of him anymore.

My teams would have been:

Bradley
Allen
Lebron
KG
Chandler

Conley
Sefolosha
Iguodala
Ibaka
Howard
I don't know about bradley, he only really played about 25 games or so, he looked great in those games, but it's a small sample. Same with all allen, who I think missed or was less than 100% a good number of games this season.

I notice you are very liberal with your positions, bradley probably played much more of his meaningful minutes as a SG and same for KG (he played C for at least 2/3 of the season).

Another thing that coaches might take into account is how much energy is a player expending on the offensive end. Players like bledsoe, bradley, allen or even chandler are dedicating most of their efforts on defense. Kobe or Paul have to save their strength for offense, so they often coast more on D. IF they would be shifting their focus on D the way guys like bledsoe or bradley do, don't you think they could do a better job?

As far as the comments some had about coaches not voting, while probably true, even if they delegate the task, it's likely going to go to an assistant coach, I doubt they'd ask the marketing manager or the janitor to vote for them ...
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Old 05-24-2012, 05:19 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I don't know about bradley, he only really played about 25 games or so, he looked great in those games, but it's a small sample. Same with all allen, who I think missed or was less than 100% a good number of games this season.

I notice you are very liberal with your positions, bradley probably played much more of his meaningful minutes as a SG and same for KG (he played C for at least 2/3 of the season).
Theyre extremely liberal with all of the teams they select, so I selected them in the same way for the players I felt were the best on the defensive end this year.

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Another thing that coaches might take into account is how much energy is a player expending on the offensive end. Players like bledsoe, bradley, allen or even chandler are dedicating most of their efforts on defense. Kobe or Paul have to save their strength for offense, so they often coast more on D. IF they would be shifting their focus on D the way guys like bledsoe or bradley do, don't you think they could do a better job?
I think you're giving the coaches too much credit. I think if they judged the defence of players by their role on the team and determined they didnt try as hard on D due to their increased role on O and rewarded them thinking they would do better with less responsibility on O than players like Tony Allen would never be rewarded for doing their jobs fantastically. The players that played the best defence this year should be named on these teams. Responsibility on offence shouldnt play a big deciding factor as most of the high level players dont often guard the other teams best players until later in the game and get the credit they deserve if theyve done a good job doing so. I forgot Shumpert in my list by the way, who was definitely a top 5 perimeter defender this year.
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Old 05-24-2012, 05:51 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Chandler 2nd on the defensive team? didnt he win DPOY?
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:09 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I think you're giving the coaches too much credit. I think if they judged the defence of players by their role on the team and determined they didnt try as hard on D due to their increased role on O and rewarded them thinking they would do better with less responsibility on O than players like Tony Allen would never be rewarded for doing their jobs fantastically. The players that played the best defence this year should be named on these teams. Responsibility on offence shouldnt play a big deciding factor as most of the high level players dont often guard the other teams best players until later in the game and get the credit they deserve if theyve done a good job doing so. I forgot Shumpert in my list by the way, who was definitely a top 5 perimeter defender this year.
it depends on how each coach understands the question posed, is it the player who is the best defender in absolute terms, or the best defender over the course of the season. I think this explains why howards beats chandler, despite missing a lot of games and not giving a shit for another big chunk - when fully engaged, he's a more complete defender than chandler, but chandler played all season at a high intensity.

The other thing that people might treat differently is stamina, over 10-15 minutes, kobe may still be able to provide the best defense (he's lost a step, but he's very experienced and over a short span, his age won't show as much). Ask him to go all out on defense for 40 minutes and he'll run out of gas .
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