Nash: Players Shouldn't Be Judged On Titles
Old 09-20-2009, 01:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Nash: Players Shouldn't Be Judged On Titles

Suns point guard Steve Nash doesn't believe that players should be judged solely on the number of championships they win.

"I'm not one of those people that feel if you don't win a title everything was for naught," Nash told Yahoo! Sports. "Only one team wins it and a lot of times there is luck involved."

Nash signed a two-year contract extension with Phoenix this summer and the Suns are no longer considered a strong title contender after some turnover on both the roster and the coaching staff.

"I don't think it's something you should judge yourself on," Nash added of winning an NBA title. "If you're lucky enough to be on a team that wins it, you should celebrate that. I had one [college] scholarship offer, so for me to experience the things I experienced, for me to travel the world and provide for my family and to play with the amount of teammates that I've enjoyed playing with, there is no way I can look at it at all negatively if I don't win a championship."
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Old 09-20-2009, 02:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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i agree to a point, i mean for example derek fisher has 4 rings....but does that mean he's had a better career than steve nash? who's more likely to get into the hall of fame afterwards?

its all subjective and everyone has their own opinion on it.
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Old 09-20-2009, 03:29 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Perfect example of a player who should not be judged on titles: Charles Barkley.
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I agree. But on the other hand, he should have signed up with the Raptors to back Calderon up and get his.
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Old 09-20-2009, 03:13 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Players shouldn't be judged solely on anything. How many championships doesn't say it all. Should we hold Robert Horry in a higher regard than Karl Malone because Horry was fortunate enough to have played for the Spurs and Lakers most of his career as opposed to Karl having played with the Jazz and was relied on to make things happen? Winning is important because its the biggest reason any true competitor suits up BUT there have been great players who did not win it who should be held in higher regard than some who have won it.

Another example would be suggesting that Fisher is a greater player than Nash because Fisher won rings with the Lakers where as Nash has not won rings with his teams. Its ridiculous.
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Old 09-20-2009, 03:30 PM   #6 (permalink)
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no one compares derek fisher and robert horry to the likes of nash and malone. that's just dumb.

titles do matter. there's so much that separates the greats from the forgotten because they had what it takes to win the championship. anyone who disagrees is either just blindly backing up steve or completely out to lunch.
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no one compares derek fisher and robert horry to the likes of nash and malone. that's just dumb.
I use extreme examples to prove a point. No shit it would be dumb but there are actual comparisons being made between closer talent which is pretty damn stupid too.

Deep, talented teams win rings. There are great players have not won rings and I still hold them in a high regard. It doesn't phase me. What phases me if a player chokes in the playoffs. If he;s a choke artist that takes a toll but a great player who played great in the playoffs but couldn't win it should not devalue ANYTHING that he did as a pro.

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you didn't prove a point. tell me why a player shouldn't be judged on whether they've won a championship or not? do you remember hak's first championship? do you remember what he did on his way to raising the championship? even his second year? he showed the world why the likes of shaq, robinson and ewing were in a class below him. why shouldn't he be judged on that?
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By the time you've been in the league long enough that the novelty is gone, you feel like you belong and you're rich (What's that....3rd or 4th year?) winning a championship should be all that matters.

And some players, more than others are going to need a championship to be considered an NBA giant. Chris Bosh might end up in that category, Carmello Anthony, maybe even Dirk.

I'd say the same thing Nash did publicly, but this is a competitive guy. We're not talking about Marcus Banks or Villanueva here...he wants a championship so bad.....I wonder if he'd give up his Canadian citizenship.
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you didn't prove a point. tell me why a player shouldn't be judged on whether they've won a championship or not? do you remember hak's first championship? do you remember what he did on his way to raising the championship? even his second year? he showed the world why the likes of shaq, robinson and ewing were in a class below him. why shouldn't he be judged on that?
I never said it shouldn't be a factor but I did say it shouldn't be the only("solely"?) factor.
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I could care less if people judge Nash on his titles, or lack thereof.

Everytime this guy opens his mouth, intelligent, and decent things come out.

Thats what I'll remember him for. And after the last minute is played, and the trophies are handed out, I don't really give a shit who won anyhow.
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The back to back league MVPs isn't too shabby.
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i definitely think a title can be used as a tool to judge player A and player B.
Sure, great players dont always have championship rings, but if you're going to be considered one of the greatest to ever play the game; you better have a championship to back you up. period.
IMO its ridiculous to call someone the greatest ___ (insert position here) if he doesnt have a championship ring. why? because if he was the greatest, he'd have won. the greats win games. they win championships.

no one will ever, compare a Robert Horry to a Karl Malone... because Horry will never be considered a great. But when you are comparing 2 greats; Malone and Duncan for example. you cant discount the fact that one of them is a championship winner... while the other one can never say the same.
Championships do matter. The greatest players win. period.
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apparently articles can be judged on their titles, because this one is a complete misrepresentation of steve's point. as i read this, he isn't saying that players cannot be judged on rings, he's saying that he doesn't judge himself on it. that in his own reflections, the successes and opportunities that the game have given him are what really matters. in valuing his career he is happy with what he has and doesn't feel that his career will be a failure without a ring.

he is not saying that others shouldn't judge based on championships, he is saying the he doesn't do it.

and he is most certainly not talking about objectively comparing two players and trying to rank them as 'the best'. frankly i think he would see that as a rather pointless exercise.
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thank you voice of reason.
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apparently articles can be judged on their titles, because this one is a complete misrepresentation of steve's point. as i read this, he isn't saying that players cannot be judged on rings, he's saying that he doesn't judge himself on it. that in his own reflections, the successes and opportunities that the game have given him are what really matters. in valuing his career he is happy with what he has and doesn't feel that his career will be a failure without a ring.

he is not saying that others shouldn't judge based on championships, he is saying the he doesn't do it.

and he is most certainly not talking about objectively comparing two players and trying to rank them as 'the best'. frankly i think he would see that as a rather pointless exercise.
something tells me that if stevie had won a ring 3 years ago he would be singing a different tune, thats all.
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