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Old 07-03-2012, 11:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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all jokes aside, I think this is gonna play out for a while longer. I believe nothing I read online as a "source". For all we know Nash hasn't said shit to anyone about anything yet.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:16 PM   #22 (permalink)
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if you cant blame the player you cant blame the GM. If its a game like you say.

But if it's business, and you lead a potential business partner to believe you plan to do business, just to drive the market, trust me, it isn't considered good business practice, and it's very frowned upon.

and THAT is an area I DO have experience in. If you aren't interested, don't say you are.
Just to drive the market? So if I'm selling my house I shouldn't take any offers above asking price if I'm not entirely sure I'm going to accept certain qualifications?

What you're saying is that he shouldn't be doing business by going through a business procedure. BC wasn't lead into anything. He followed his nose, and the smell trailed from behind him as usual.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:18 PM   #23 (permalink)
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well you don't know shit, nor do I, nor to the guys with their "sources. Lets be honest.

Its a bit nerve wracking at time to be honest, then, at times, who really cares.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:32 PM   #24 (permalink)
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At this point i blame the player. IMO Nash has strung us along and if he wants to be a Knick he should have told us by now. This whole approach from him smells like a massive pile of cow shit. I've honestly lost a lot of respect for Nash in the last 24hrs......a lot.
Why would you lose respect for Nash? This is his life his livelihood. How can you blame someone for making sure all his options are laid out and available before making one of the biggest decisions of his career. You don't think he told BC that he wants to see what other teams are offering? Obviously he wants to review all options before agreeing or confirming anything. Wouldn't you? Toronto is an option. Ny is an option. Dallas is an option. Anyone willing to give him millions of dollars is an option. You think he'll just take the first offer on the table without going through the entire process? This is his life right here. Give the guy a little slack. I'm sure BC has been told this already.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:42 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Forget the ethics of player's signalling their intent in one way or another....


If Colangelo's plan for success hinges largely on overpaying Nash to come here near retirement because he's Canadian, the team is doomed.


It's easy to be dramatic during free agency.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:44 PM   #26 (permalink)
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if you cant blame the player you cant blame the GM. If its a game like you say.

But if it's business, and you lead a potential business partner to believe you plan to do business, just to drive the market, trust me, it isn't considered good business practice, and it's very frowned upon.

and THAT is an area I DO have experience in. If you aren't interested, don't say you are.
I'm an operations manager and I can firmly say that what SJ is stating is accurate. If that is the case then it is extremely poor business practice.

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Just to drive the market? So if I'm selling my house I shouldn't take any offers above asking price if I'm not entirely sure I'm going to accept certain qualifications?

What you're saying is that he shouldn't be doing business by going through a business procedure. BC wasn't lead into anything. He followed his nose, and the smell trailed from behind him as usual.
Sound's to me he's speaking about Nash not BC. Misleading a potential partner to leverage more from someone else isn't considered good business and usually comes back to bite you in the ass. Now from what I've read, Nash was open to entertain proposals from various potential partners, nothing I've read said he was leaning one way or the other. You can thank media and pundits for making assumptions and stating them as facts.

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well you don't know shit, nor do I, nor to the guys with their "sources. Lets be honest.

Its a bit nerve wracking at time to be honest, then, at times, who really cares.
At the end of the day? 100% agree with that last statement.

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Why would you lose respect for Nash? This is his life his livelihood. How can you blame someone for making sure all his options are laid out and available before making one of the biggest decisions of his career. You don't think he told BC that he wants to see what other teams are offering? Obviously he wants to review all options before agreeing or confirming anything. Wouldn't you? Toronto is an option. Ny is an option. Dallas is an option. Anyone willing to give him millions of dollars is an option. You think he'll just take the first offer on the table without going through the entire process? This is his life right here. Give the guy a little slack. I'm sure BC has been told this already.
Totally agree. Nash has the right to weigh all his options. We're the ones getting carried away with all this crap of being a 'Canadian' blah blah. If he doesn't come to TO it's because he's making a business decision that's best for himself and quite honestly, that's ok. Taking care of business is ok.
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Team has been doomed (to mediocrity as it's pinnacle) for quite some time.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:45 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Forget the ethics of player's signalling their intent in one way or another....


If Colangelo's plan for success hinges largely on overpaying Nash to come here near retirement because he's Canadian, the team is doomed.


It's easy to be dramatic during free agency.
Never read anywhere that Nash was leaning one way or the other or signalling intent.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:51 PM   #29 (permalink)
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If Colangelo's plan for success hinges largely on overpaying Nash to come here near retirement because he's Canadian, the team is doomed.

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As much as i dislike Collangelo - why does a move for Steve Nash have to be about Nash's nationality.

Maybe it's because he's an incredible basketball player still playing at an elite level.
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Never read anywhere that Nash was leaning one way or the other or signalling intent.
jeffb suggested that Nash was leading the Raptors on. Perhaps I should've broadened that comment to include any criticism of Nash's potential decision, but that wasn't really the intended focus of my post.
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As much as i dislike Collangelo - why does a move for Steve Nash have to be about Nash's nationality.

Maybe it's because he's an incredible basketball player still playing at an elite level.
I missed a chance to be clearer there.

I do think, in part, that the draw for signing Nash to the Raptors is that he is Canadian.

However, my main point is that much of the sales pitch seems to focus on his Canadian roots. It also seems like Nash is the center-piece of Colangelo's vision of a rebuild. I think that's a bit of a risk and leaves me concerned about his overall vision of what the team will be 1, 2, 3, 4 years down the road.

This is, of course, all just speculation because hardly anything is settled yet.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:59 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I've always been indifferent to Nash, the guys most of the time ducked out of playing for the national team and never did any time here. I give more credit to guys like VC who gave this city a lot on and off the court and did their time here. The way people were pumping this guy up saying oh he deserves a front office job this and that was just disgusting.

At least guys like VC and to a lesser extent Bosh put on a Raptors Jersey, at least they tried to do something here. At least they brought the playoffs here. At least they brought excitement herewhether it be for 6 seasons. At Least the freaking PLAYED here man. I find that way easier to root for than a guy who's never played here and comes here for PR and to build his brand.

What the Hell did Nash ever do here to get this kind of respect from Toronto fans? He never played here and oh right, he just used your city as leverage to cash in big time.

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I read so much shit lately, i think less than half of these sources do actually know something
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I've always been indifferent to Nash, the guys always ducked out of playing for the national team and never did any time here. I give more credit to guys like VC who gave this city a lot on and off the court and did their time here.
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I missed a chance to be clearer there.

I do think, in part, that the draw for signing Nash to the Raptors is that he is Canadian.

However, my main point is that much of the sales pitch seems to focus on his Canadian roots. It also seems like Nash is the center-piece of Colangelo's vision of a rebuild. I think that's a bit of a risk and leaves me concerned about his overall vision of what the team will be 1, 2, 3, 4 years down the road.

This is, of course, all just speculation because hardly anything is settled yet.
Why do you think Nash is the center-piece? I think it's obvious Demar, Bargnani & JV are center pieces. Nash will come and go - those guys will still be around.

It would suck not getting Nash - but in what way has he handicapped himself by not obtaining his 'center-piece'?

The re-build started and ended over the last 2-3 years. They're looking to win now.
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I think Nash is the center-piece, particularly in the context of this summer, because of the offer he made to Nash, the pitch he made to Nash, and the offer to Landry.

Are they looking to win 40-50 games, or do something more than that?

Maybe what I'm saying is that I'm not sold on Demar or Bargnani, we have no idea what the end result of Valanciunas will really be, and I'm definitely not sold on Nash being the solution, so I don't understand his approach.
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I think Nash is the center-piece, particularly in the context of this summer, because of the offer he made to Nash, the pitch he made to Nash, and the offer to Landry.

Are they looking to win 40-50 games, or do something more than that?

Maybe what I'm saying is that I'm not sold on Demar or Bargnani, we have no idea what the end result of Valanciunas will really be, and I'm definitely not sold on Nash being the solution, so I don't understand his approach.
Center piece to the summer free-agency - I would agree. But that's a lot different then the center-piece to his entire vision of the re-build.

Eventually he has to give Demar and Bargs a shot to win games which will happen much sooner if he brings in a vet like Nash who has experience winning games.

Searching for somebody else to build around makes the last few years seem very pointless. If we're still at that stage then Collangelo should be out of a job.
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Nash fucked over this franchise... hes not winning a ring in New York, it makes no sense for him to go there. People will boo Nash and cheer for Lin, it will be pretty funny.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:12 AM   #39 (permalink)
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geting nash for 3 years could easily turn into 100 million profit in its first years, think about it, Raptors didnt' even sell out this year and there still in half way in the pack when comes to money

to canadians who are use to paying high priced tickets for leafs,canadians,canucks, calgary etc... these ticke are like buying cheap cfl tickets

so first the Raptors will sell out every night, make the playoffs, and t.v rating and advertising, don't forget about jersey sales,

so offering a total of 3 years at 56 millions dollars is a joke for rogers and bell who will laughing all the way to the bank
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geting nash for 3 years could easily turn into 100 million profit in its first years, think about it, Raptors didnt' even sell out this year and there still in half way in the pack when comes to money

to canadians who are use to paying high priced tickets for leafs,canadians,canucks, calgary etc... these ticke are like buying cheap cfl tickets

so first the Raptors will sell out every night, make the playoffs, and t.v rating and advertising, don't forget about jersey sales,

so offering a total of 3 years at 56 millions dollars is a joke for rogers and bell who will laughing all the way to the bank
Highly doubt we'd sell out. We need to produce wins before we start selling out, regardless of whether or not Nash is here.
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