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Old 03-30-2012, 01:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Who do you think should be MVP? I've been lobbying for KD the whole season, and for the past two weeks he's been leading in the KIA Race to the MVP.

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Old 03-30-2012, 02:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I would want Rose to be MVP, but realistically KD seems to be best for the award

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Old 03-30-2012, 02:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Statistically speaking?

Name PER TS eFG AST% TRB% Ortg Drtg WS WS/48
LBJ 30.4 .605 .555 33.6 13.1 118 97 11.2 .296
KD 26.6 .608 .550 17.4 12.1 114 101 9.6 .233

Apologies for my inability to make an easily readable chart here.
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:27 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I would want Rose to be MVP, but realistically KD seems to be best for the award
He missed a good chunk of the season and his team has done fine without him, hes not an MVP this year.
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Old 03-30-2012, 03:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Rose was the debatable MVP last year. He's not in the discussion this year. Too much time missed.
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Old 03-30-2012, 03:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Would want Kevin Love to get it if they make the playoffs.
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Old 03-30-2012, 04:14 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I think KD should win by a mile, OKC w/o KD would not be a very good team
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Old 03-30-2012, 04:45 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I think KD should win by a mile, OKC w/o KD would not be a very good team
Wade Bosh Chalmers Miller > Westbrook Harden Ibaka Perkins? I'm not sure that's definitive enough to qualify as an end-all argument in this case.
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Old 03-30-2012, 05:01 PM   #10 (permalink)
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LeBron. Anyone else is a travesty, the guy is putting up monster numbers.
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Old 03-30-2012, 05:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
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MVP= Durant, LBJ just wins in showing stats off.
LBJ gives the ball up in the last seconds to Wade cause everyone knows he's gonna Lebrick the shot, he doesn't have the confidence to be the one who WANTS to take the shot, or the one who asks for it. He seems to be the kinda person who'd be content with just, if he did have the ball in the last seconds, getting to the line and missing the FTs and he'd be just happy that he got to the line. He doesn't have the desire to win it as badly as other players do.

It's Durant, he's the leader, the man who wants to take the last shot, the hardest worker on the team, and no one would question him being the man on his team.

Then again, LBJ proved to everyone this MVP tittle means jack shit now, just put up some numbers on the stat sheet, then only score 2.3 ppg in the 4th quarter in the finals. and still be considered Most Valuable Player in the NBA. Honestly, imo, he woulda been more valuable if his ass was on the bench in that quarter. He'll win it, because of his stupid stats but I don't like it one bit, he's not the MVP of the NBA. His post season has to count, cmon, he ain't the leader of that team.

To me it's Durant because he's the real leader, and more dependable... in ALL quarters @ every second.
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MVP= Durant, LBJ just wins in showing stats off.
LBJ gives the ball up in the last seconds to Wade cause everyone knows he's gonna Lebrick the shot, he doesn't have the confidence to be the one who WANTS to take the shot, or the one who asks for it. He seems to be the kinda person who'd be content with just, if he did have the ball in the last seconds, getting to the line and missing the FTs and he'd be just happy that he got to the line. He doesn't have the desire to win it as badly as other players do.

It's Durant, he's the leader, the man who wants to take the last shot, the hardest worker on the team, and no one would question him being the man on his team.

Then again, LBJ proved to everyone this MVP tittle means jack shit now, just put up some numbers on the stat sheet, then only score 2.3 ppg in the 4th quarter in the finals. and still be considered Most Valuable Player in the NBA. Honestly, imo, he woulda been more valuable if his ass was on the bench in that quarter. He'll win it, because of his stupid stats but I don't like it one bit, he's not the MVP of the NBA. His post season has to count, cmon, he ain't the leader of that team.

To me it's Durant because he's the real leader, and more dependable... in ALL quarters @ every second.
Everyone rips Lebron for what happened in the finals... while forgetting that he DESTROYED the Bulls (the best team in the league by record last season) by shutting down the MVP (Rose) AND hitting clutch shots in the finals moments of games.

He really doesn't deserve all of this hate.
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Everyone rips Lebron for what happened in the finals... while forgetting that he DESTROYED the Bulls (the best team in the league by record last season) by shutting down the MVP (Rose) AND hitting clutch shots in the finals moments of games.

He really doesn't deserve all of this hate.
Get used to it, they do it because they have to hate someone, they don't pay attention to shit to do with the guy, just talk smack about em because of one thing that happened. They'll do it for years dude.
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His post season has to count, cmon, he ain't the leader of that team.
It has to count? His post-season, last year, HAS to count for this year's regular season MVP award? I'll listen to arguments for KD, but you sir, have not made one. You cannot just make up the criteria as you go along. There are different interpretations of most valuable. But counting anything other than this regular season is unacceptable.
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:58 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Kev Love has had the best individual season, although his impact on the outcome of games can be fairly questioned


Durantula is this seasons MVP, imo, hands down

and if anyone saw that OKC-MIA game last week, wowwwwww at how badly he dominated LeBron.
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:06 PM   #16 (permalink)
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It has to count? His post-season, last year, HAS to count for this year's regular season MVP award? I'll listen to arguments for KD, but you sir, have not made one. You cannot just make up the criteria as you go along. There are different interpretations of most valuable. But counting anything other than this regular season is unacceptable.
Yup, and that's why he'll get mvp. Let me re-phrase, they SHOULD count post-season. because this "MVP" stuff has become meaningless bull shit, because you can get mvp and be the worse player in the 4th quarter in the finals, it's just dumb. The guy gets the tittle for being most valuable in the whole NBA for being good for winning all the games but not even showing up for the last ones. The MVP should go for the best player in the league, which isn't Lebron James. He might be for a whole 3 quarters tho.
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Everyone rips Lebron for what happened in the finals... while forgetting that he DESTROYED the Bulls (the best team in the league by record last season) by shutting down the MVP (Rose) AND hitting clutch shots in the finals moments of games.

He really doesn't deserve all of this hate.
He brought this expectation on himself with the, "Not 5, not 6, not 7" stuff. Also him and Wade making fun of Dirk, they had that stupid "We're too good" attitude in the finals, and it got them killed with their lack of effort, well... Lebron's lack of effort. I'm not saying he's complete shit, he did beat CHI. but he can't deliver in the last games, in my mind that makes him "undependable" and he defiantly was a liability in the fourth with his 2.3 ppg in the 6 games series.... Does anyone really think if Durant was in Lebron's position that Durant would of had 2.3 ppg in the 4th in the finals?
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He brought this expectation on himself with the, "Not 5, not 6, not 7" stuff. Also him and Wade making fun of Dirk, they had that stupid "We're too good" attitude in the finals, and it got them killed with their lack of effort, well... Lebron's lack of effort. I'm not saying he's complete shit, he did beat CHI. but he can't deliver in the last games, in my mind that makes him "undependable" and he defiantly was a liability in the fourth with his 2.3 ppg in the 6 games series.... Does anyone really think if Durant was in Lebron's position that Durant would of had 2.3 ppg in the 4th in the finals?
two points. Lets say we take durant off OKC, Lebron off Miami. I'd say they are fairly equal. Sure Wade and Bosh is still a superstar and a borderline superstar repsectively (yeah I went there This one's for you Torap!) but their lack of depth compared to OKC evens it out.

So, now that we have put that point down, let's think of this. Sure, Lebron isn't famous for his 4th quarters, rather infamous, while Durant is. HOWEVER. If you have a man averaging near to 27-8-7 in a season, how many games is it actually going to come down to the end of the 4th quarter or "clutch time" by some peoples standards? Those numbers are insane and by far the best numbers in the league and because of that the man deserves the award. I respect Lebron because of his multifaceted game. The man is a rebounding, assisting, and scoring machine all in one, while Durant only attests to two of those categories.
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two points. Lets say we take durant off OKC, Lebron off Miami. I'd say they are fairly equal. Sure Wade and Bosh is still a superstar and a borderline superstar repsectively (yeah I went there This one's for you Torap!) but their lack of depth compared to OKC evens it out.

So, now that we have put that point down, let's think of this. Sure, Lebron isn't famous for his 4th quarters, rather infamous, while Durant is. HOWEVER. If you have a man averaging near to 27-8-7 in a season, how many games is it actually going to come down to the end of the 4th quarter or "clutch time" by some peoples standards? Those numbers are insane and by far the best numbers in the league and because of that the man deserves the award. I respect Lebron because of his multifaceted game. The man is a rebounding, assisting, and scoring machine all in one, while Durant only attests to two of those categories.
How many times would it come down to the 4th? I would assume all the good teams(OKC, Spurs possibly Lakers, Chicago, etc.). Even the Raptors were tied to them by the 3Q, it happens all the time.

You can't just depend it to be over in the 3rd Q The Miami heat might of fixed their 4th Q stuff by just giving Wade the ball instead of Lebron...
obviously he doesn't really have to do anything in the 4th anymore. thanks to Wade... but that, to me, questions his "MVP" status. That's why you sometimes even hear Wade should be MVP. because Lebron isn't the "most valuable" in those crucial moments. He's just standing in the corner and playing "hot potato" with the ball, and only would get the ball when Spolestra makes a play for him to pass it.

Lebron is (arguably) a better player for a good 3 Q, for some reason everyone discounts the 4th Q. Lebron is almost near non-existent in those times. Durant is dependable in all 4 quarters, he'll make the right decisions on how to get the ball through the basket in all quarters, Lebron wont.

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