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RAPMAN 03-04-2011 01:35 PM

McGrady is Hall of Fame Talent, not Hall of Fame Player
 
Jeff Van Gundy and Houston Rockets’ GM Daryl Morey talk about “natural talent” and the importance of work ethic. I like how Van Gundy calls McGrady "1,000 hours of practice."

“He should be a Hall of Fame player. His talent was other-worldly. He was given a great leg up in the race against other players. He’s as close as I’ve ever seen to someone with a perfect body and a good mind...I like a lot of things about Tracy McGrady. I just wish I could have changed his practice habits and his mentality.” - Van Gundy

“McGrady was the most gifted player I’ve ever had on the roster. I do think [his talent] got in the way of Tracy’s development. Much of the game was so, so easy — and you see this in the AAU level, where they have freakishly talented players. When it’s that easy to dominate at that young age, because of your physical tools — his wing span was freakish, his size was enormous, his IQ. But my sense was that all of that did get in the way of Tracy reaching his highest heights.” - Daryl Morey

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011...inst-mcgrady/#

d00little 03-04-2011 01:43 PM

If I could create a dream player, I would probably pick Tracy McGrady's body. He had the size of a small forward, the length of a power forward (7'+ wingspan), handles of a guard, and the speed and jumping ability to keep up with anyone in the league. I remember an interview on TSN with him and VC, where VC said that TMac could probably jump higher than him.

Ex2k 03-04-2011 01:44 PM

Runs in the family...

Hello Vince..

jeffb 03-04-2011 01:53 PM

Replace McGrady's name with Carter and nobody would think twice. :haha:

RAPMAN 03-04-2011 02:01 PM

Which players do you think have made real breakthrouh this year? Rose in serious consideration for MVP, Love getting double-doubles and leading the league in rebounding, or Westbrook pushing himself to becoming the best PG in the league. Its no coincidence these three players workout together and go full-out in their training. We should throw Derozan in these workouts:

Derrick Rose's summer workouts turn him into MVP contender - Lee Jenkins - SI.com

TORaptor4Ever 03-04-2011 02:09 PM

It pains me to think of how good the Raps could have been back then if only VC and T-Mac had the toughness to go along with their talent.

Could have been the next MJ and Pippen... instead both are just afterthoughts.

Neither of them should make the hall.

x_kaptain_x 03-04-2011 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 516456)
It pains me to think of how good the Raps could have been back then if only VC and T-Mac had the toughness to go along with their talent.

Could have been the next MJ and Pippen... instead both are just afterthoughts.

Neither of them should make the hall.

On some level I don't even think they care to make the hall (if you watch them play these days). Chances are their massive egos have rationalized it all internally to the point where their potential is an afterthought.

Dark Knight 03-04-2011 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 516456)
It pains me to think of how good the Raps could have been back then if only VC and T-Mac had the toughness to go along with their talent.

Could have been the next MJ and Pippen... instead both are just afterthoughts.

Neither of them should make the hall.

I still think that if T-Mac had stuck around for even one more year we would've been contenders for the championship. I think I remember Kobe saying something like that too, saying how he thought his Lakers would've had to battle the Raptors in the Finals if McGrady stayed.

DeMar is the second coming of McGrady, only DD has a little less pure talent and a lot more work ethic. Hopefully he stays in town long enough for us to see just how good he can be.

th3answ3r 03-04-2011 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 516666)
I still think that if T-Mac had stuck around for even one more year we would've been contenders for the championship. I think I remember Kobe saying something like that too, saying how he thought his Lakers would've had to battle the Raptors in the Finals if McGrady stayed.

DeMar is the second coming of McGrady, only DD has a little less pure talent and a lot more work ethic. Hopefully he stays in town long enough for us to see just how good he can be.

As much as I love demar, I don't think he will reach his scoring ability.

Metallikid 03-05-2011 02:16 AM

Carter will make the hall for three reasons: for being the best dunker of all time, for having over 20,000 career points, and most of all I think, for putting Toronto on the map (as disputed as some of you might feel about that statement).

T-Mac won't and will the remain the only scoring champ never to win a playoff series.

Aar_Canada 03-05-2011 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Metallikid (Post 516772)
Carter will make the hall for three reasons: for being the best dunker of all time, for having over 20,000 career points, and most of all I think, for putting Toronto on the map (as disputed as some of you might feel about that statement).

T-Mac won't and will the remain the only scoring champ never to win a playoff series.

Carter won't make the Hall.

LX 03-05-2011 08:29 AM

There's no way Carter makes the Hall. The only thing remarkable about his career is that he's the one guy scoring 20,000 that has achieved basically nothing. So many years of not even making the playoffs, and with some good rosters.

Toby 03-05-2011 08:45 AM


Shadowfax 03-05-2011 10:47 AM

i'm astonished that some people would even consider the fact that either Wince or Tracy deserve to have their names added to this list...it would be a fucking disgrace if it ever happened
and needless to say, a slap in the face to all these greats


Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Nathaniel "Nate"Archibald
Paul J .Arizin
Charles Barkley
Thomas B. "Tom" Barlow
Richard F. "Rick" Barry
Elgin Baylor
John Beckman
Walter "Walt" Bellamy
Sergei A. Belov
David "Dave" Bing
Larry J. Bird
Bernhard "Bennie" Borgmann
William W. "Bill" Bradley
Joseph R. "Joe" Brennann
Alfred N. "Al" Cervi
Wilton N. "Wilt" Chamberlain
Kresimir Cosic
Robert J. "Bob" Cousy
David W. "Dave" Cowens
William J. "Billy" Cunningham
Drazen Dalipagic
Adrian Dantley
Robert E. Davies
Forrest S. DeBernardi
David A. "Dave" DeBusschere
Henry G. Dehnert
Clyde Drexler
Joe Dumars
Paul Endacott
Alexander "Alex" English
Julius W. Erving
Patrick Ewing
Harold E. "Bud" Foster
Walter "Walt" Frazier
Max "Marty" Friedman
Joseph F. "Joe" Fulks
Lauren "Laddie" Gale
Harry J. Gallatin
William P. Gates
George Gervin
Thomas J. "Tom" Gola
Harold E. "Hal" Greer
Robert F. Gruenig
Clifford O. "Cliff" Hagan
Victor Hanson
Lusia Harris-Stewart
John J. Havlicek
Cornelius L. "Connie" Hawkins
Elvin E. Hayes
Marques O. Haynes
Thomas W. "Tommy" Heinsohn
Nat Holman
Robert J. "Bob" Houbregs
Bailey E. Howell
Charles D. "Chuck" Hyatt
Daniel P. "Dan" Issel
Harry E. "Buddy" Jeannette
Dennis Johnson
Earvin "Magic" Johnson
Gus Johnson
William C. Johnson
Neil Johnston
K.C. Jones
Samuel "Sam" Jones
Michael Jordan
Edward W. "Ed" Krause
Robert A. "Bob" Kurland
Robert J. "Bob" Lanier
Joseph B. "Joe" Lapchick
Clyde E. Lovellette
Jerry R. Lucas
Angelo "Hank" Luisetti
Karl Malone
Hortenciade Fatima Marcari
Peter P. "Pete" Maravich
Robert A. McAdoo
Emmett B. "Branch" McCracken
Jack D. McCracken
Robert "Bobby" McDermott
Kevin E. McHale
Edward C. "Ed" Macauley
Moses E. Malone
Slater N. Martin
Richard J. "Dick" McGuire
Dino Meneghin
George Mikan
Arild Verner Agerskov (Vern) Mikkelsen
Vernon "Earl" Monroe
Calvin J. Murphy
CharlesC.Murphy
Hakeem Olajuwon
Harlan O. "Pat" Page
Robert L. Parish
Maciel "Ubiratan" Pereira
Drazen Petrovic
Robert L. "Bob" Pettit
Andy Phillip
Scottie Pippen
James C. "Jim" Pollard
Frank V. Ramsey
Willis Reed
Arnold D. "Arnie" Risen
Oscar P. Robertson
David Robinson
John S. Roosma
John D. Russell
William F. "Bill" Russell
Adolph "Dolph" Schayes
Ernest J. Schmidt
John J. Schomer
Barney Sedran
Uljana Semjonova
Bill Sharman (player)
Christian "Chris" Steinmetz
John Stockton
Maurice Stokes
Isiah L. Thomas
David O. Thompson
John Thompson
Nate Thurmond
John K. "Jack" Twyman
Westley S. "Wes" Unseld
Robert P. Vandivier
Edward A. "Ed" Wachter
William T. "Bill" Walton
Robert F. "Bobby" Wanzer
Jerry A. West
Nera D. White
Leonard R. "Lenny" Wilkens (player)
Jacques Dominique Wilkins
Lynette Woodard
John R. Wooden (player)
James A. Worthy
George H. Yardley

Player_Royal 03-06-2011 11:05 AM

what he lacked was this :

DDaring 03-08-2011 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 516786)
There's no way Carter makes the Hall. The only thing remarkable about his career is that he's the one guy scoring 20,000 that has achieved basically nothing. So many years of not even making the playoffs, and with some good rosters.

Being the leading scorer on an Olympic gold medal team is nothing? It's not the NBA HOF, it's the basketball HOF. And what years did he fail to make the playoffs with a good roster? Every year he missed the playoffs he was on a poor team. His teams have only missed the playoffs 5 times in 13 years. That's hardly a lot. If you want to look at a failure in terms of missing the playoffs, look at someone like Bosh, who has already missed the playoffs 5 times, and he's only in his 8th season.

If Dominique Wilkins is a HOFer, VC is EASILY a HOFer. He's already had far more team success than Nique had, and everyone before him who put up similar numbers to his made the hall.

Vince has acheived a tonne in terms of individual accomplishments: Rookie of the Year, great career numbers, most points in a season Raptors, most points in a season Nets, holds/co-holds a slew of Raptors, Nets, and NBA records. Really the only thing he hasn't accomplished is winning a championship, but there are loads of players in the HOF who never won a championship. There are loads of players already in the HOF with less acheivements than VC. It is not true to say he's the one guy with over 20k points who has acheived basically nothing.

hontoni 03-08-2011 11:19 AM


T-mac is legend for me :D

MISAM38 03-11-2011 09:31 PM

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Which players do you think have made real breakthrouh this year? Rose in serious consideration for MVP, Love getting double-doubles and leading the league in rebounding, or Westbrook pushing himself to becoming the best PG in the league. Its no coincidence these three players workout together and go full-out in their training. We should throw Derozan in these workouts:

Derrick Rose's summer workouts turn him into MVP contender - Lee Jenkins - SI.com

Rose hands down. I fckin hate kevin love. Such a great player yet all these double doubles dont amount to wins. All these hype for nothing.


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