Magic's Otis, not happy with the team
Old 01-07-2010, 12:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Steve, Looks like maybe you knew something everybody else didn't in the pre-season as the Magic seem to be struggling which you predicted and got roasted for. Do you agree with Alex Kennedy about Otis making moves? Got a juicy rumor?
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I know many of you think I am a moron... but I am pretty good at this :0)... I talked with a lot of the Magic players this summer and many of them predicted this... so I can sit here and say I am genius, or I can simply tell you what others tell me.

I'd rather see the Magic dominate teams, it makes my job more enjoyable, but at the same time we have seen this before... Dallas got to the Finals, didn't win... came back a year later, and ran through the league and didn't take things seriously and got walked in the first round... the way the Magic are playing that has got to be a concern.

As for anything juicy... Otis has been fielding calls... I know that Charlotte had eyes for Brandon Bass... I know Portland has talked to the Magic... I have talked to two teams about Marcin Gortat, and they both said he's fallen off too much to be traded now, one of them was in the hunt for him this summer and wouldn't trade for him now...

Otis plays everything so close to the vest, its hard to knows whats really going on... I have been told, he's not happy with the team, he's concerned about the lack of energy and he's open to making a move or two - but its not going to be cosmetic moves, its got to be solid basketball moves.
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Old 01-07-2010, 01:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Carter for Ellis?
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Old 01-07-2010, 01:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Carter for Ellis?
why would Warriors want Carter?

why would anybody want Carter at this stage - and meanwhile make the Magic stronger - i.e. give up something very good.
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Old 01-07-2010, 02:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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he should be upset with himself.
unfortunately, Otis took a page from the Isiah thomas GM handbook - "whenever possible, get your team a superstar" chapter.
that chapter pretty much insists that a player's stats trump all else. he did this and replaced Hedo with carter... and its exposing holes in that Orlando team that VC's 20ppg can't fix.
when it comes down to it, everyone knows VC is the better player and is the allstar, but Otis never took into account the fact that Hedo made everyone around him better (especially D12), and the Magic are starting to suffer because of it.
I'm sure they will bounce back and win a handful of games, they are too talented not to. unfortunately, when the games count, and playoffs roll around - they will be in trouble.
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Old 01-07-2010, 04:48 PM   #5 (permalink)
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he should be upset with himself.
unfortunately, Otis took a page from the Isiah thomas GM handbook - "whenever possible, get your team a superstar" chapter.
that chapter pretty much insists that a player's stats trump all else. he did this and replaced Hedo with carter... and its exposing holes in that Orlando team that VC's 20ppg can't fix.
when it comes down to it, everyone knows VC is the better player and is the allstar, but Otis never took into account the fact that Hedo made everyone around him better (especially D12), and the Magic are starting to suffer because of it.
I'm sure they will bounce back and win a handful of games, they are too talented not to. unfortunately, when the games count, and playoffs roll around - they will be in trouble.
+1...he fucked up an good chemistry...
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Old 01-07-2010, 05:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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they should have kept their young players, I don't get why they made so much changes after getting to the championships. Usually, you'd want to keep most of your guys and not risk good young talent for an old Carter. I do want to see them bounce back though, but not with Vince.
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Old 01-08-2010, 11:03 AM   #7 (permalink)
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The Gortat signing also just seems like a big waste.
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Old 01-08-2010, 11:18 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Calderon, Evans, DDR, Wright and Rasho

for





wait for it




Carter, Gortat, Reddick

Orlando gets a distributing pg(can then trade Nelson) defensive wing player and a young gun in DDR. Evans brings replacement touoghness that is off the books sooner than Gortat. Move reduces salary by nearly 4 million dollars immediately.


Toronto gets VC back, depth up front with Gortat and Reddick is a decent backup sg. Would need to fill out roster with a couple of scrubs(pg spot, sf spot)

Jack/Banks
Carter/Belli/Reddick
Turk/Weems/
Bosh/Amir/Pops
Bargs/Gortat/POB
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Old 01-08-2010, 02:05 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Calderon, Evans, DDR, Wright and Rasho

for





wait for it




Carter, Gortat, Reddick

Orlando gets a distributing pg(can then trade Nelson) defensive wing player and a young gun in DDR. Evans brings replacement touoghness that is off the books sooner than Gortat. Move reduces salary by nearly 4 million dollars immediately.


Toronto gets VC back, depth up front with Gortat and Reddick is a decent backup sg. Would need to fill out roster with a couple of scrubs(pg spot, sf spot)

Jack/Banks
Carter/Belli/Reddick
Turk/Weems/
Bosh/Amir/Pops
Bargs/Gortat/POB


#1- Carter?

#2- Pops is gone

#3- I wouldn't want Derozan included in that deal
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Old 01-08-2010, 02:29 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Carter? Fuck no. I can't stand his whiny face
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Old 01-08-2010, 02:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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#1- Carter?

#2- Pops is gone

#3- I wouldn't want Derozan included in that deal
Aside from Carter the guys we put forth are much better than the likes of reddick.
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Old 01-08-2010, 03:49 PM   #12 (permalink)
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turkoglu might not be as good as carter. but magic need turkoglu a lot more. carter isn't the guy who won the dunk contest. he's washed up. Carter is shooting below 40% and btw, dwight howard is struggling. it shows why turk was a better fit.
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Old 01-08-2010, 03:52 PM   #13 (permalink)
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turkoglu might not be as good as carter. but magic need turkoglu a lot more. carter isn't the guy who won the dunk contest. he's washed up. Carter is shooting below 40% and btw, dwight howard is struggling. it shows why turk was a better fit.
Carter's numbers don't surprise me, but why is a beast like Dwight under achieving?? I guess the system flopped when hedo left, no more p&r dunks for dwight....
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Granted Vince is $16.3 Mill this year but he's on a two year hitch that with his expiring contract escalating to $17.3 next season. Win it all or not with him this season that $17.3 Mill expiring is going to be an absolute gold mind in the trade market for teams dying to cut salary.

Actually they should better win the ring this year. They are nearly set and done for next 4 year. Their committed payrolls $81,560,060, $77,922,818, $84,015,203, $60,077,084 respectively. Wow huh. Even if they decide to use their team option over Vince Contract in 2011-12, they will have highest payroll with $65.5 Mil in the league (2nd Denver , $51.09 Mil)
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At this point, I'd rather go after Joe Johnson. VC is not VC anymore..to some extent.
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At this point, I'd rather go after Joe Johnson. VC is not VC anymore..to some extent.
obviously you missed him withering on the court tonight, after bumping into mike miller's shadow.
he looks like the same VC to me.
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Aside from Carter the guys we put forth are much better than the likes of reddick.
I disagree. Reddick and Gortat are both definitely useful players. Reddick is expiring though. I think they want to keep him anyway, he is playing pretty well.
All and all, Magic can get better for that package I believe. Although I agree, I don't even like it from Raps perspective, especially offloading DeRozan.
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Otis is an idiot who thought VC is 17 Mill. a year worth and Hedo not 10 Mill. a year.VC is a selfish assh... who only thinks his statistics than the team.He talked so much about Hedo because Hedo kicked hiss a..
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