Magic fans frustrated with Vince

jeffb · 01-04-2010, 10:02 PM

WTF? I haven't been paying much attention, but is he struggling that much or are they just acting like Raps fans?

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i mean, go back to the boston game last week. he had f'ing brian scalabrene on him and he just jacked up jumpers. seriously, he can't take even him? where's the heart at?

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VC is a chucker. Plain and simple.

Man do I wish we would have taken the money we gave Bass and Gortat and used it to instead re-sign Hedo.

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VC may be an overall better player than Turko, but Turk fit this system much, much better than VC does. And Dwight's offensive game is suffering because of this tradeoff we made.

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Seriously, he just has not grasped the concept that we DONT NEED HIM TO FORCE THE OFFENCE!!!!!

How fkn hard is it for him to get it in his fat **** head that we need him to take whats given to him in the offense rather that shoot 3 of 30 and absolutely destroy any flow we ever build...

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Indefensible effort tonight. This is more than just a shooting slump imo.

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I'm a Vince fanboy but I must admit that he really sucks at times. I wonder if SVG and Vince have some serious talks about his inconsistency this season. I mean, Stan had the balls to call out Dwight, the team's franchise player. Stan should likewise do the same to Vince especially if we consider that he's just a newcomer to the team.

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Gurk · 01-04-2010, 10:07 PM

Ah you gotta love it

ClingRap · 01-04-2010, 10:21 PM

magic fans got it bad. trip to the finals last year and deep playoff runs for year's to come. yikes.

jj33 · 01-04-2010, 10:28 PM

Raps fans are not happier with Turk! Overpaid and all that shit....

nathanapes · 01-04-2010, 10:51 PM

who here wouldn't mind the swap....if it were possible????

01-04-2010, 11:06 PM

I am on a Magic forum. 90% of the posters believe that the PG defence has been the issue and that Jameer Nelson is not the right fit. They often say they want a pass first PG and that's why Rafer Alston brought them so far last year.

They also point to Rashard Lewis' stats. Maybe he needs those steroids. If all is true though, Calderon could be a great fit in Orlando... maybe a three-way deal that would land us Pietrus?

Premiere · 01-04-2010, 11:52 PM

It's tough being at the top of the east.

Rene_13 · 01-05-2010, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmats7

I am on a Magic forum. 90% of the posters believe that the PG defence has been the issue and that Jameer Nelson is not the right fit. They often say they want a pass first PG and that's why Rafer Alston brought them so far last year.

They also point to Rashard Lewis' stats. Maybe he needs those steroids. If all is true though, Calderon could be a great fit in Orlando... maybe a three-way deal that would land us Pietrus?

Interesting, but let me clarify. You would give up Calderon just to land Pietrus?

bjjs · 01-05-2010, 12:29 AM

Pietrus was outstanding at both ends of the floor last year in the playoffs, from what I've seen this year he hasn't come close to playing at that level.

jeffb · 01-05-2010, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bjjs

Pietrus was outstanding at both ends of the floor last year in the playoffs, from what I've seen this year he hasn't come close to playing at that level.

He was taken out of the starting lineup recently in favour of Barnes.

01-05-2010, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bjjs

Pietrus was outstanding at both ends of the floor last year in the playoffs, from what I've seen this year he hasn't come close to playing at that level.

I've seen about half the magic games this year. Pietrus is definitely doing his job on the defensive end, he misses a few assignments here and there but on the whole he ALWAYS stays in front of his defender.

The Magic offence is bad because Lewis is playing like crap, Howard complains so much about calls, and Vince is shooting like garbage.

Make no mistake though, Pietrus would be a huge upgrade at the 2 spot for us, he's a jack of all trades and is very athletic. He would be a good fit to round out our starting lineup. And yes, I would give up Calderon for him.

ClingRap · 01-05-2010, 12:43 AM

at some point you shouldn't sacrifice the future and potential cohesiveness to tinker with a position that derozan or bellinelli could grow into over the next couple of seasons.
we're starting to see some things out of the two of them that leads me to believe that they bring something to this team that may be unpredictable at this point, but still productive.

SoGood · 01-05-2010, 12:46 AM

i know a lot of you guys are thinking it

vince for turk + banks

vince only has 2 yrs left while turk has 4 after this season..

JMoon33 · 01-05-2010, 12:54 AM

Whatever right?

the team is doing well so why complain

lonewolfpoet · 01-05-2010, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SoGood

i know a lot of you guys are thinking it

vince for turk + banks

vince only has 2 yrs left while turk has 4 after this season..

Fuk that I wouldn't trade a bag of bent nails for Vince. Orlando is experiencing what we went through with him. Why the hell would you want to go through that again.

Also why do people keep bringing up these scenarios. He burnt his bridges here, he is never coming back except as the opponent, got it - good.

Mr4thQuarter · 01-05-2010, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmats7

I am on a Magic forum. 90% of the posters believe that the PG defence has been the issue and that Jameer Nelson is not the right fit. They often say they want a pass first PG and that's why Rafer Alston brought them so far last year.

They also point to Rashard Lewis' stats. Maybe he needs those steroids. If all is true though, Calderon could be a great fit in Orlando... maybe a three-way deal that would land us Pietrus?

??

I could see him fitting in that team, but I can't follow your reasoning..

LX · 01-05-2010, 07:24 AM

Vince rolled his ankle and is day to day now. Did he collide with Van Gundy again?

jeffb · 01-05-2010, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmats7

I've seen about half the magic games this year. Pietrus is definitely doing his job on the defensive end, he misses a few assignments here and there but on the whole he ALWAYS stays in front of his defender.

The Magic offence is bad because Lewis is playing like crap, Howard complains so much about calls, and Vince is shooting like garbage.

Make no mistake though, Pietrus would be a huge upgrade at the 2 spot for us, he's a jack of all trades and is very athletic. He would be a good fit to round out our starting lineup. And yes, I would give up Calderon for him.

Considering he's a SF, i don't know?

Mr4thQuarter · 01-05-2010, 07:33 AM

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Considering he's a SF, i don't know?

he is? what IS a SF anyway?

(I'd say the most versatile players play it but anyway)

Pietrus played a LOT of ball at the 2.

**Claudius** · 01-05-2010, 09:34 AM

I think I said this in the summer.

Vince why the overall better player, Hedo just fit that play of basketball more.

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ClingRap enjoying having the keys to destiny perusing ancient database Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The far side of the Universe. Posts: 1,884 Representing:	magic fans got it bad. trip to the finals last year and deep playoff runs for year's to come. yikes.

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jj33 editing this message! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,471 Representing:	Raps fans are not happier with Turk! Overpaid and all that shit....

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nathanapes wondering why he gets so much hate???? Freedom of speech right??? Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 349 Representing:	who here wouldn't mind the swap....if it were possible????

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Bmats7 is pounding the rock! (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	I am on a Magic forum. 90% of the posters believe that the PG defence has been the issue and that Jameer Nelson is not the right fit. They often say they want a pass first PG and that's why Rafer Alston brought them so far last year. They also point to Rashard Lewis' stats. Maybe he needs those steroids. If all is true though, Calderon could be a great fit in Orlando... maybe a three-way deal that would land us Pietrus?

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bjjs a baller Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,041 Representing:	Pietrus was outstanding at both ends of the floor last year in the playoffs, from what I've seen this year he hasn't come close to playing at that level.

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SoGood is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 503 Representing:	i know a lot of you guys are thinking it vince for turk + banks vince only has 2 yrs left while turk has 4 after this season..

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