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Old 11-01-2011, 12:30 PM   #561 (permalink)
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The NBA and NBPA are discussing possibility of returning federal mediator George Cohen to labor talks this week, sources tell Y! Sports.
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Old 11-01-2011, 12:32 PM   #562 (permalink)
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The NBA's players are out of moves, like Jonathan Poe, the chess prodigy who ultimately had to give in to Josh Waitzkin, an even better prodigy, who saw the end of their match 12 moves before Poe did in "Searching For Bobby Fischer". In similar ways this NBA lockout has been predestined, the owners knowing exactly what they were going to get, and how, and when, and the union, full of very smart and good chess players itself, is trying desperately to avoid where it is now, 12 moves from oblivion, with nothing it can do about it.

The union must take the deal now. For it will take a far worse deal a month from now, or later, and lose half a billion or more in the process.

No NLRB ruling nor decertification nor Solidarity Forever chant is going to change that now. The NBA's owners are not looking for a decision; they want a knockout, and they're going to get it. They will blow up the season if they don't like the deal, and they're going to, unless the union folds its 2-3 hand with the flop coming, calls it a day, gets this season started by mid-December and lives to fight again. It is out of moves.

The union has made the argument that revenue sharing is as important for the future health of the league as its players' givebacks. But the league has made it clear that it won't release the totality of how it will enhance revenue sharing until after the CBA is resolved. The players must give first.

In the next Collective Bargaining Agreement, the league is going to get, at minimum, a 50-50 split of Basketball-Related Income with the players, and a system with severe restrictions on teams that exceed the luxury tax threshold, from not being able to use many (if any) cap exceptions to being limited in their ability to make trades. Or the new CBA will allow teams over the threshold those exceptions, but take 53 percent of BRI to the players' 47. Those are the choices now, and they will only get worse, because now that a month of the season is officially gone, and $800 million is down the tubes, there's no reason for the league to stay at 50-50, and it won't.

The players aren't going to get 52, or 51, or 50.5, or 50.000001, and if they hold out for those numbers, they're not going to have a season. You'd have to be crazy not to see that now, so it's this for the players: take the deal this week or next, or lose the season. If they are willing to die on principle, they wouldn't be the first. But they will die, in the metaphorical sense.

This is what the union's executive director Billy Hunter meant Friday afternoon when he said the league "moved" back to 47. Those were the choices the league laid out to the union in Friday's disheartening session, according to numerous sources. Fifty-fifty with almost nothing for the tax threshold-breakers, or 53-47 for the league with the negotiations the two sides had worked out all week.

"Every time we try to make a deal," a member of the union's negotiating committee said Friday evening, "they try to go for the jugular."

The union agreed to the league's concept that there should be harsher tax penalties for teams that exceed the threshold, and the compromise came relatively easy -- $1.50 on the first $5 million a team exceeded the threshold, exactly between the NBA's initial offer of $1.75 on the first $5 million and the union's $1.25 on the first $5 million, as we reported Friday on GameTime and NBA.com. Teams would then pay $1.75 for the next $5 million they're over the cap, between $5 million and $10 million over the threshold.
Cut off at every turn, union has one choice: Take the deal | NBA.com
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Old 11-01-2011, 01:10 PM   #563 (permalink)
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Only thing I'm going to say about the rumoured salary cap level staying at 58 million next year is that the owners better have a heck of an escrow withheld. Since that 58 million was 51% last year, and they only want to pay 50% next year...
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Old 11-01-2011, 01:19 PM   #564 (permalink)
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Old 11-01-2011, 09:29 PM   #565 (permalink)
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Woj just got done with an article about the Humpdashian conflict. The dude has stepped into the realm of paparazzi now. We expect underskirt undie shots Woj
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Old 11-01-2011, 09:51 PM   #566 (permalink)
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There are very real reasons why they can't schedule games after the scheduled end of season - the arenas are blocked off for a specific period of time. The dates after the scheduled end of playoffs would be booked full with concerts, etc, more so than other sports, if not by now then very soon.
While I fully agree with what you're saying here, I wouldn't doubt for a second that pro-sports has a complete veto right if they need date x for game y whenever they need it.
Any arena not owned by the teams must have a thought in the back of their minds "Craps going to get messed up, lets hope it isn't too bad"
But at the same time, I'm sure they'll also bend over backwards for the teams if needed.
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There would also be complications with TV deals, etc - the TV channels may be less than happy about having to accommodate the playoffs at a different time of year, as TV schedules are often decided a full year in advance.
Then they can be less then happy?
Shit happens, I'm sure the contracts they sign with the profession sports teams are a bit more exciting then showing a re-run of Americas next anorexia victims.
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Jeez, seems to be that the union is starting to turn on each other
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:59 AM   #568 (permalink)
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The Golden Rule: He who has the gold, rules
Fundamental Rule of Negotiation: He who cares the least wins


In the NBA, it's the owners who have the gold and care the least.

What do the owners have to lose?
Net revenues from the lost games and any decline in the value of their franchises due to fan alienation and depreciation of assets — namely the players they have under contract.

What do players have to lose?
Salaries from lost games and time cut off from already short career windows.

Why do owners have leverage?
They have deeper pockets and alternative sources of income. The next most lucrative financial option for players is far worse than the owners’ lowest offer.

Why do players have leverage?
Only a handful of star players have leverage. The owners’ product without the top 20-30 players in the league would stink for at least a few years. Rank-and-file players are more easily replaced and have almost no leverage at all.
Good article by a couple economists on Grantland. A lot more there than I quoted.

Two Economists Explain the NBA Lockout - The Triangle Blog
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:04 PM   #569 (permalink)
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Hunter's actions in NBA labor talks weaken union - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:07 PM   #570 (permalink)
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I've said it for months. Hunter is an idiot. He's toast - 100% toast when this is done. The least he vould do it finish working for his clients in their interest with some morals and work ethic and stop the crap.
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Big baby tweeted, take the 51% man and lets play. They are falling apart just start the season please
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Big baby tweeted, take the 51% man and lets play. They are falling apart just start the season please
The owners won't offer 51% without some system concessions. In two weeks players will be tweeting 'take the 50% and let's play.'
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The owners won't offer 51% without some system concessions. In two weeks players will be tweeting 'take the 50% and let's play.'
Yeah, i was wondering if i missed something. I don't recall the owners offering 51%.
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Yeah, it's a fail for Baby, he never made much compared to others. he's probably running out of cash.

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The owners won't offer 51% without some system concessions. In two weeks players will be tweeting 'take the 50% and let's play.'
Ye pretty much, owner are going to wait, they know the players are going to slowly crack out one by one. Not everyone is sitting on 100Mil liek some of the superstars.
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next meeting might happen on saturday
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Labor talks between the NBA and players union are set to resume Saturday, in yet another attempt to end the lockout by agreeing to a new collective bargaining agreement.

Last Friday, the sides broke off negotiations with the owners maintaining an offer of 50% and the players insisting on a share of 52.5% of basketball-related income.

The union met Thursday to regroup and, presumably, formulate its endgame strategy. Afterward, Roger Mason confirmed the Saturday bargaining session with the league and stated that the players are completely unified.
Labor Talks To Resume Saturday - RealGM Wiretap


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Roger Mason emerged from Thursday's meeting of the union executive committee and said leadership is "absolutely" unified.

Mason confirmed that the union will meet with the NBA on Saturday to resume negotiations.

Rumors of a splinter between Derek Fisher and Billy Hunter have dominated much of the news coverage this week.

"I stand behind D-Fish," said Mason. "We're behind him 100 percent."

Mason also said that many of the system issues are still under negotiation and that a deal is not 95% done as reported by the New York Times.

"It's about much more than 50 or 52 or whatever. There's still a system that hasn't been addressed."

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1cgjvsqaY


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As the NBA lockout continues, the blowback from fans has become a bigger issue on social media platforms such as Twitter.

Many NBA fans have talked about how they will send a message of their displeasure by not renewing their subscription to NBA League Pass.

Howard Beck of the New York Times has re-Tweeted several such edicts.

A re-imagined version of the NBA logo has also began to appear. The 'Logo' is holding a bag of money with the word 'BOYCOTT' written across the top. This logo first began appearing on October 24th on the blog IGoHardNow.com.

Ratings for Game 1 of the 2011 NBA Finals were up three percent from the previous year and up 15 percent over Game 1 of the 2006 NBA Finals, which also featured the Heat and Mavericks.

For the 10-11 regular season, games on ABC were up 38% from the previous season. TNT saw a gain of 42% and ESPN had a gain of 28% from 09-10.


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I like how the fans are finally saying stuff back. Hopefully the pressure will get to them
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NBPA members meet with decertification attorneys - CBSSports.com
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Old 11-04-2011, 08:34 AM   #580 (permalink)
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Those players meeting with decertification lawyers are all superstars (all the ones reported anyway). So even if they wanted to decertify, they couldn't, since they wouldn't get the majority vote the union would need to disband. Of course, those players could just leave the union, putting the league in an interesting spot - they would still have a union to bargain with, it just wouldn't contain the players they want.

Simple solution - next offer on the table should remove max salaries. Suddenly all those players will be more than happy to take a 50% split, and the deal gets done without this mess of decertification. The union members might not like it, but they can hardly take a public stance against their own players being free to make more money... The league would have to rely on the tax (that has reportedly been agreed upon) and a higher (but not unlimited - say 20%) escrow to keep the salaries in check, but it would get the deal done. The rumours of a high cap figure make me think the owners are pushing for unlimited escrow, but I have no idea how that will shake out.
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