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Old 10-17-2011, 10:21 PM   #421 (permalink)
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NBA management believes negotiations with the players changed when Kevin Garnett entered the negotiating room on Oct. 4.

Sources say Garnett was 'defiant, determined and downright ornery.'

As one league official said, “We were making progress, until Garnett [expletive] everything up.”

Regardless of how long the lockout lasts, it will be the players and not the owners that bring the NBA positive publicity again after the labor dispute is settled.

"We can’t have completely poisoned waters here when this is over,” one front-office executive said. “Stern gets that, but I’m not sure all of our owners do. We have to have these guys on board, or where are we as a league?”


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Old 10-18-2011, 12:00 AM   #422 (permalink)
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Just saw David Stern on CNN and he said he was hopeful that there will be games played by thanksgiving.
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:58 AM   #423 (permalink)
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NEW YORK (AP) -- The NBA and players' association are ready to try mediation, and Commissioner David Stern wants results quickly.

Stern said last week during an interview with WFAN radio in New York that without a deal Tuesday, when the sides meet with federal mediator George Cohen, his "gut" was that there wouldn't be NBA basketball on Christmas.

Owners are opening two days of board meetings Wednesday, and Stern wants to be able to bring a deal to them.

But can a mediator swoop in and smooth out two years of bickering in one day?

Attorney Jay Krupin, chair of EpsteinBeckerGreen's national labor practice in Washington, doesn't think so - unless the players are prepared to concede on some issues.

"If the players want to get back on the court, then this is a great time for them to try to show that they're willing to make some type of compromise, and I think that's what it is," he said. "This is an opportunity to really determine whether or not the players are willing to make concessions. I think the owners are willing to walk away without concessions, so if the players really want to make concessions when they meet, that has to be expressed to the mediator.

"If that happens, then the burden turns to the NBA to say, 'All right, you'll be willing to make some concessions; now we're willing to talk.' If they're not willing to make concessions, then the mediation would just go on for the day and it'll let the NBA know that they probably have to cancel, go through Christmas and maybe even the rest of the season."

Players already feel they've conceded plenty financially, and they dismissed Stern's attempt to attach added importance to Tuesday's talks, with union president Derek Fisher of the Lakers saying it was just an "arbitrary deadline" for potential Christmas cancellations.

Stern was clear in the radio interview and others he gave late last week that he was just stating his opinion about further losses of games - but not about his desire for significant movement Tuesday.

"If there's a breakthrough, it's going to come on Tuesday," he told NBA TV. "And if not, I think that the season is really going to potentially escape from us because we aren't making any progress."

Cohen, who tried to resolve the NFL's labor dispute, met with the sides individually at their offices in New York on Monday. He will then oversee talks between their full bargaining committees Tuesday at a hotel.

He said last week he had already been in contact with representatives of both sides "for a number of months," so he's familiar with some of the issues that still divide them.

Players oppose a hard salary cap, and they believe owners' attempts to make the luxury tax more punitive and limit the use of spending exceptions will effectively create one. Also, each side has formally proposed receiving 53 percent of basketball-related income after players were guaranteed 57 percent under the previous collective bargaining agreement.

With so many issues remaining beyond those, it seems too much to get done in one day. Executive director Billy Hunter said Friday after meeting with players in Los Angeles that the union sought to have the whole week set aside for mediation, but that the league wouldn't commit to that because of its owners meetings.

"The Board of Governors meeting has been scheduled for a year for Wednesday and Thursday. We told the mediator that we would make ourselves available day and night on all other days," Stern said in a statement to The Associated Press.

Cohen was appointed director of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service by President Barack Obama in 2009. He helped broker a deal between Major League Soccer and its players just before the season was scheduled to begin and was lead lawyer for the baseball players' union when it won an injunction against its owners in 1995, ending the 7 1/2-month strike.

Krupin calls Cohen "a very good mediator" and "wonderful gentleman," saying, "If there's a real interest in the parties trying to get something done, George would be able to make it happen."

But, he adds, that's dependent on the players.

Read more: David Stern seeks quick results as NBA sides head to mediation - NBA - SI.com
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:02 AM   #424 (permalink)
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TORONTO (AP) -- Dennis Rodman says the owners are at fault in the NBA lockout, but the players should ease their demands to help end the dispute that has already cost the league the first two weeks of the season.

"I think the players should bow down," he said Thursday.

Rodman was a guest at the post-position draw at Woodbine Racetrack for Sunday's Pattison Canadian International, the most lucrative horse race in Canada.

"It's not the players' fault, it's the owners' fault and I think (the players) should give a little bit," the Hall of Famer said. "And that way, things will move on."

Rodman, a seven-time rebounding champion, was in the league in 1999 when the season was cut to 50 games because of a lockout. He questions the resolve of the players.

"Most players don't give a damn about the game," he said. "They want the money and all of a sudden they want unity. I'm not taking the owners' side. I think the players should look at themselves."

Negotiations have stalled over the structure of the salary cap system and the division of revenues between owners and players.

Calling it a "very touchy situation," Rodman said times have changed since the last labor disruption.

"Now you've got maybe 10 teams that are making money," he said.

Read more: Dennis Rodman said players should 'bow down' in NBA lockout - NBA - SI.com
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I JUST WANT A SEASON
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Old 10-18-2011, 04:23 PM   #426 (permalink)
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wow these guys are still in the meeting
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wow these guys are still in the meeting
How do you know these things?
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:32 PM   #428 (permalink)
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NEW YORK (AP) NBA players and owners have been meeting for more than 10 hours with a federal mediator, hoping to deliver the progress Commissioner David Stern says is needed to avoid canceling more games.

George Cohen began overseeing the talks about 10 a.m. Stern sought immediate results in just one day of mediation, saying during interviews last week that proposals could get worse and more games could be lost without a deal Tuesday.

"If there's a breakthrough, it's going to come on Tuesday," he told NBA TV. "And if not, I think that the season is really going to potentially escape from us because we aren't making any progress."

This was the longest negotiating session since owners locked out players when the old collective bargaining agreement expired at the end of the day June 30.

In another interview, Stern told WFAN radio in New York that his "gut" was there wouldn't be NBA games on Christmas if the 110th day of the lockout ended without a deal.

Large gaps remain, with both sides seeking 53 percent of basketball revenues and players opposing owners' attempts to significantly change the salary cap system.

Cohen met with the sides individually at their offices Monday before both brought their full bargaining committees to a hotel Tuesday. The union said it wanted to have the whole week set aside for negotiations, but owners have two days of board meetings beginning Wednesday.

Stern wants to be able to bring them a deal. If not, they may have to discuss further cancellations after the first two weeks of the season were already wiped out.

Cohen was appointed director of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service by President Barack Obama in 2009. He was present for talks between NFL owners and players for 16 days in February and March before that mediation broke off.

He previously helped broker a deal between Major League Soccer and its players and was lead lawyer for the baseball players' union when it won an injunction against its owners in 1995, ending the 7 1/2-month strike.
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Old 10-18-2011, 11:20 PM   #429 (permalink)
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How do you know these things?
Meeting is still going on, and i look it up on realGM and the reporters on twitter, some of which are really funny
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Informal media vote has been held. If they come down without a deal, I have been nominated to throw the shoe.
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NBA players, owners meet for 10-plus hours with mediator - ESPN


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11 hrs & counting. I'm told owners & players have talked about concepts & minor issues. Not tons of ground made on 2 biggies (BRI & lux tax)
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its past 13 hours lol, hopefully they have a deal done
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its past 13 hours lol, hopefully they have a deal done
I doubt it. All we can hope for is progress. Is KG there? lol
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:16 AM   #434 (permalink)
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I doubt it. All we can hope for is progress. Is KG there? lol
lmao i dont know, but I know soon as KG walks in, the deal even if done is getting cancelled lol
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and the meeting is still going on into its 16th hour lol
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16hrs and little progress was made? I find that difficult to believe...

At least they're meeting again today.


Source From 16 Hour Meeting Very Little Progress Made On Deal - RealGM Wiretap
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The parties will resume talks at 10 a.m. EDT on Wednesday with Cohen again mediating. Neither side commented to the media officially, in compliance with a request by Cohen.

Perhaps the largest remaining sticking point is the league's proposal to implement an escalating luxury tax that would penalize payroll over a certain amount. The union believes the proposed tax would result in the establishment of a de facto hard cap that no team would exceed.*

Both the league and the union have made previous public statements indicating that a compromise agreement on sharing revenues, known as basketball-related income, is within reach.
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hopefully they get this sorted out today
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Meeting is still going on
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Old 10-19-2011, 06:23 PM   #440 (permalink)
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League official says highly unlikely parties to mediation will speak to media this evening. Unsure if Stern and Grousbeck returning tonight.
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