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Old 10-12-2011, 11:10 AM   #381 (permalink)
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Please, they'll lose 30-35 game at the very least imo.
If they lose that many, they'll lose more money then the 2% they're currently fighting over.
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Old 10-12-2011, 11:24 AM   #382 (permalink)
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If they lose that many, they'll lose more money then the 2% they're currently fighting over.
But that's logical thinking. Lol
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Old 10-12-2011, 02:56 PM   #383 (permalink)
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NBA owners will lose an average of $1 million for every game canceled because of the lockout.

Players, meanwhile, will lose an estimated $350 million per month.

ESPN was scheduled to show seven games during the opening two weeks and plans to replace them mostly with college football and basketball games. TNT will rely on its regular prime-time lineup to fill the six games it would have televised.

The lockout will also have severe economic repercussions for arena vendors, as well as hotels, bars and restaurants that all largely rely on the business of the NBA.
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.s...ion_per_c.html
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This video kind of changes my view on the lockout.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:25 PM   #385 (permalink)
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Charles Barley is awesome! Good points made by him and surprisingly by Reggie as well.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:54 PM   #387 (permalink)
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NBA, Union Agree To Meet With Federal Mediator On Monday
Oct 12, 2011 5:17 PM EDT

During a Wednesday interview on WFAN in New York, Billy Hunter announced that the NBA league office and the players union have agreed to meet with a federal mediator next Monday, to help them resolve a lockout that has already led to the cancellation of two weeks of regular season games.

In the interview, Hunter said he thinks that the owners are likely to want to end the lockout no later than Christmas. But he also expressed the view that the NBA is seeking to break up the union in order to get its way on every issue.
Via Al Iannazzone, The Bergen Record (via Twitter)

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Old 10-12-2011, 07:28 PM   #388 (permalink)
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NBA Lockout: Lock-In from Tyson Chandler, Shawn Marion, Kevin Love, Funny Or Die, James_Urbaniak, Alex Fernie, manasewitsch, Alex Richanbach, and BoTown Sound
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:38 PM   #389 (permalink)
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:54 PM   #390 (permalink)
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Old 10-12-2011, 08:26 PM   #391 (permalink)
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Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller Discuss the CBA Negotiations - YouTube

This video kind of changes my view on the lockout.
Great video... and oh the irony of a recently retired MJ calling out owners for being bad at evaluating talent and spending poorly
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NBA, NBPA Agree To Talks With Federal Mediator On Tuesday
Oct 12, 2011 9:06 PM EDT

The NBA and NBPA have agreed to federal mediation and conciliation service.

George Cohen will oversee negotiations, with the first sessions beginning on Tuesday.

"For a number of months, I have participated in separate, informal, off-the-record discussions with the principals representing the NBA and the NBPA concerning the status of their collective bargaining negotiations," Cohen said in the statement. "It is evident that the ongoing dispute will result in a serious impact, not only upon the parties directly involved, but also, of major concern, on interstate commerce—i.e., the employers and working men and women who provide services related to the basketball games, and, more generally, on the economy of every city in which those games are scheduled to be played.

"In these circumstances, the agency has invited, and the parties have agreed, to convene further negotiations under my auspices," Cohen said.

Cohen, appointed by President Barak Obama, was called upon to mediate the NFL's labor negotiation with the NFL Players Association before that sport's recent lockout was imposed. He has no binding authority and can only make suggestions.
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Hunter Says CBA Deal Was Close
Oct 13, 2011 11:10 AM EDT

It can be difficult to get an accurate read on the state of collective bargaining between the NBA and players union, particularly if one pays attention to the post-meeting rhetoric coming from both sides.

After seven hours of negotiation on Monday, David Stern said the sides remain "very, very apart on all issues" as he cancelled two weeks of regular season games.

Yet during an interview on WFAN on Wednesday, Billy Hunter indicated that an agreement between the owners and players had been nearing completion.

"We thought we could live with the deal we were close to making," Hunter said.
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Stern: Deal By Tuesday Or No Games Through Christmas
Oct 13, 2011 4:53 PM EDT

During a Thursday interview on WFAN, David Stern indicated that Tuesday's bargaining session in front of a federal mediator will be momentous. If there is no agreement by then, Stern predicted a long lockout that will wipe out games at least through Christmas.

"It’s time to make the deal. If we don’t make it Tuesday, my gut … is that we won’t be playing on Christmas Day," Stern said.

However, Stern's tone was generally positive and his outlook about reaching an ultimate resolution to end the lockout seemed optimistic.

Stern repeated his earlier assertions that the share of basketball-related income is no longer a major obstacle to completing the new CBA. The commissioner stated that deal points concerning league competitiveness, giving each team a realistic chance to win a championship, are the remaining items to be hammered out.

Stern indicated that it was the players union that invited the league to formulate a punitive luxury tax in place of a hard cap or a flexible soft cap.

The commissioner may be leaving the door open to playing a full 82-game schedule, saying that two weeks of the regular season will certainly be lost for good if a deal is not reached soon. On Monday Stern cancelled two weeks of games and was dismissive of the notion that those missed games could be made up. But Billy Hunter believes this would be possible through a compressed schedule and an extension of the regular season. Today Stern may have revealed some hope of that contingency plan should a new CBA be agreed upon quickly.

Stern was emphatic in saying that the league has no furtive wish for a long lockout or the cancellation of any games as a strategy intended to bust the players union.
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:22 AM   #397 (permalink)
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It can be difficult to get an accurate read on the state of collective bargaining between the NBA and players union, particularly if one pays attention to the post-meeting rhetoric coming from both sides.

After seven hours of negotiation on Monday, David Stern said the sides remain "very, very apart on all issues" as he cancelled two weeks of regular season games.

Yet during an interview on WFAN on Wednesday, Billy Hunter indicated that an agreement between the owners and players had been nearing completion.

"We thought we could live with the deal we were close to making," Hunter said.
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Billy Hunter spoke with Yahoo! Sports about the status of negotiations ahead of Friday's union meeting.

Hunter was asked if he believed a federal mediator would help the players make progress with owners.

ďAll he can do is to get the parties together to see if there is some middle ground that we are comfortable with. Thatís all he can do, get one party to move toward the other in efforts to make an agreement. He canít force us to do anything. Itís non-binding, so if either side believes itís not in their interest to make a deal or compromise to the extent where itís necessary, thereís nothing to compel them to do it.Ē

Hunter was also asked to talk about the most frustrating aspect of negotiations.

ďI donít think [the owners] are negotiating in good faith. Thatís whatís frustrating. David Stern told me three years ago Ė and I keep reiterating that because people keep pulling up their cup on it Ė that they were going to lock out [the players] in order to get what it was they wanted. And what heís done is done that. [Stern] said he was going to lock out [the players] and his owners were prepared to lock out to get what they wanted. Itís driven pretty much by the small-market teams. They actually want revenue sharing in the big markets, but the big markets have said, ĎOK weíll give revenue conditioned upon you getting the deal in place that we think has to be there because we donít want to go into our pockets as much as we may have to. We think you should get it off the backs of the players.í So thatís what heís done. Heís stated an extreme position from the get go and heís negotiated that way. So here we are.

ďWeíve been negotiating for almost three years, and here we are at the 12th hour when all of the sudden they make a slight move. But then on top of that, they then decide that they want a hard cap. So then when you get close to the economics of the number, then they get close to the system. And they know that the system is very important. If we give on the economics, we are not going to give on the system. And so all of the sudden you reach a possible agreement on the economics and now the system becomes a problem. So itís like a moving target. Itís frustrating. Itís frustrating because the whole intent and purpose and whole strategy has been to break the resolve of the players.

Ē[Wizards owner} Ted Leonsis Ė go look at some of his quotes. Leonsis said that David Stern promised them they were going to get a system like the NHL, and the only way they can get that system is to break the players. Thatís what theyíve done. There is nothing complex about what is going on. It is as clear as the nose on my face. I keep calling them out on that, but people donít write about that.Ē
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Rick Barry believes the NBA players are hurting themselves in refusing to submit to the demands of the owners.

ďThe players are getting bad advice,Ē Barry said in the Fox interview from his home in Colorado Springs, Colo. ďIím not a big fan of (union executive director) Billy Hunter. What are they going to get if they lose 30 games and get zero concessions? What are they going to get if owners are going to hold their position? Owners screwed up their finances the last time (with collective bargaining agreements of 1999 and 2005). They want a chance now to break even and thatís not unreasonable.Ē
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A. The indefensible NBA lockout. You should never miss games (and paychecks) without a really good reason. In 2004-05, hockey had a good reason: They had a blue-collar sport with white-collar costs, leaving them a business model that was unsustainable. The NBA has a totally sustainable business model — it just needs to be tweaked. What's happening right now isn't "tweaking." It's like fixing up your family room by swinging a wrecking ball through it.

B. Two weeks (and counting) of canceled NBA games. And as we're finding out, nobody except die-hard NBA junkies care. Everyone else? They're more than happy to keep watching pro and college football through the holidays, deal with their fantasy teams, gamble on games, eat up the dozens of talking-head shows, read the hundreds of football-related blogs/columns and figure out who's making the playoffs and BCS Championship Series. But seriously, keep up the "tree falling in the NFL forest" routine and keep losing all your momentum with casual fans after one of the five best seasons in NBA history, Everyone Involved In This Indefensibly Dumb Lockout.

C. The agents, who escaped this debacle relatively unscathed because just about every person covering the NBA counts at least two or three agents among their best sources — sorry, it's true — and also, it's easier to vilify the visible lockout characters (David Stern, Billy Hunter, Derek Fisher, etc.) over the ones who helped block any real progress from happening because some of them cared as much about protecting the ceiling of their next 25 years of commissions as they did about preventing their current players from missing paychecks.
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F. Kevin Garnett, who inexplicably turned into Norma Rae these past few weeks and led the charge to fight the fight and stand strong … without, of course, ever mentioning that his agent was savvy enough to defer a significant amount of money from his last contract extension so that he still has fresh money coming in this season (unlike 95 percent of the players), or that a 50-game regular season would be absolutely perfect for his aching knees, or that losing two months of 2011-12 money might help him with his next contract because he won't break down during a shortened season (increasing the odds that he'll get one last lucrative extension next summer).

Should someone who's earned over $300 million (including endorsements) and has deferred paychecks coming really be telling guys who have made 1/100th as much as him to fight the fight and stand strong and not care about getting paid? And what are Garnett's credentials, exactly? During one of the single biggest meetings (last week, on Tuesday), Hunter had Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce and Garnett (combined years spent in college: three) negotiate directly with Stern in some sort of misguided "Look how resolved we are, you're not gonna intimidate us!" ploy that backfired so badly that one of their teams' owners was summoned into the meeting specifically to calm his player down and undo some of the damage. (I'll let you guess the player. It's not hard.) And this helped the situation … how? And we thought this was going to work … why?

Congratulations, players — you showed solidarity! You showed you wouldn't back down! You made things worse, and you wasted a day, but dammit, you didn't back down! Just make sure you tell that to every team employee who gets fired over these next few weeks, as well as to all the restaurant and bar owners near NBA arenas who are taking a massive financial hit through the holidays. I'm sure they will be proud of you.
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