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Ball Don't Lie 10-09-2011 03:40 PM

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GET. IT. DONE.

COME BACK NBA.

box92 10-09-2011 06:57 PM

I just want this stupid lockout to get over, hopefully something good happens tonight

jeffb 10-09-2011 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by box1992 (Post 574834)
I just want this stupid lockout to get over, hopefully something good happens tonight

Don't hold your breath! :(

Metallikid 10-09-2011 07:25 PM

Owners said 50/50 split is a precondition for negotiation so either that means the union has started to give way or it was just a bluff; either way their lack of urgency throughout the whole lockout so far on matters of meetings and negotiations has really shown the fans that this lockout intends to stay. :cookie:

js12 10-10-2011 10:53 AM

Another meeting is scheduled this afternoon.

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On the night before the NBA was to begin cancelling games, league and union officials gathered one more time Sunday night, but once again parted without an agreement, or any overt signs of progress.

The hastily called meeting began at 6:30 p.m. in Manhattan and ended just before midnight. The only news either side would share is that they will continue meeting Monday afternoon, reportedly at 2 p.m. Presumably, commissioner David Stern will wait until after that meeting to decide whether to cancel the first two weeks of the regular season, as he had indicated he would do.

A person briefed on Sunday’s talks said the parties did not discuss the most contentious issue, the division of league revenues. Instead, the focus was on system issues, such as the salary cap, the luxury tax and the length of contracts.

Neither Stern nor Derek Fisher, the union president, would comment on the substance of the talks, and it was unclear whether Stern still planned to cancel games Monday.

Fisher said the two sides were “not necessarily any closer than we were going in tonight, but we’ll get back at it tomorrow and we’ll keep putting time in.” The union has cancelled a union meeting that was scheduled for Monday in Los Angeles, in deference to the talks in New York.
NBA to meet again this afternoon with cancellations looming - thestar.com

box92 10-10-2011 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by js12 (Post 574885)

I WANT A SEASON

DDUnreal 10-10-2011 01:18 PM

The NBA Fans Speak- End the Lockout - YouTube
Good vid, if only stuff like this mattered to either side.

Dark Knight 10-10-2011 01:19 PM

THERE'S STILL TIME FOR A FULL REGULAR SEASON!

FUCK THE PRE-SEASON!

Deez 10-10-2011 01:50 PM

I'm embarassed for both sides. I have a friend who works 70 hrs/wk and makes $55,000/yr. That's the kind of guy I can't blame if he never buys a ticket again. It's about choice and if you work harder than they do, you are insulted.

Things have changed drastically for a lot of people as far as the economy goes. Not too many people can find a job at GM to turn a screw in a bumper all day for $75,000. These guys can't be any different.

I'm not siding with players like most do. If the players want to start their own league, drop 300/400/500 million of their own money for a franchise. Then when the millionaires you are paying complain, just keep shelling out more like a good owner should, regardless of the circumstances.

jeffb 10-10-2011 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammo (Post 574905)
I'm embarassed for both sides. I have a friend who works 70 hrs/wk and makes $55,000/yr. That's the kind of guy I can't blame if he never buys a ticket again. It's about choice and if you work harder than they do, you are insulted.

Things have changed drastically for a lot of people as far as the economy goes. Not too many people can find a job at GM to turn a screw in a bumper all day for $75,000. These guys can't be any different.

I'm not siding with players like most do. If the players want to start their own league, drop 300/400/500 million of their own money for a franchise. Then when the millionaires you are paying complain, just keep shelling out more like a good owner should, regardless of the circumstances.


Most are siding with the players? Really? I don't see that at all.

Deez 10-10-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 574912)
Most are siding with the players? Really? I don't see that at all.

I know several personally. The sentiment is that the owners do it to themselves, out of one side of their mouths but out of the other, they'll say their team won't spend to get free agents or retain players. It's also that the owners make money and are hiding it. They should make money, or they could just take their $500 mil, buy 500 Tim Hortons and get a better return.

jeffb 10-10-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammo (Post 574914)
I know several personally. The sentiment is that the owners do it to themselves, out of one side of their mouths but out of the other, they'll say their team won't spend to get free agents or retain players. It's also that the owners make money and are hiding it. They should make money, or they could just take their $500 mil, buy 500 Tim Hortons and get a better return.


Tim Horton's? Not if they're doing business in the US. Lol

Most people I know think both are to blame but place a little more blame on the players and their greedy ass agents. Let's face it a 50/50 split of the BRI is pretty reasonable to ask, and they won't even entertain that idea.

Don Vito 10-10-2011 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 574915)
Tim Horton's? Not if they're doing business in the US. Lol

Most people I know think both are to blame but place a little more blame on the players and their greedy ass agents. Let's face it a 50/50 split of the BRI is pretty reasonable to ask, and they won't even entertain that idea.

Pretty reasonable to you, someone who has no affiliation in professional sports. A 50/50 split means a reduced salary of about $280 million. NBA superstars are among the least paid in professional sports, and you think its jolly to bring it to 50/50. The owners make much more than you think, if anything this is just a point of power the are trying to make.

carp 10-10-2011 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 574924)
Pretty reasonable to you, someone who has no affiliation in professional sports. A 50/50 split means a reduced salary of about $280 million. NBA superstars are among the least paid in professional sports, and you think its jolly to bring it to 50/50. The owners make much more than you think, if anything this is just a point of power the are trying to make.

I think hockey superstars are paid less.... and I think we shouldn't be basing it on what superstars make anyways for numerous reasons.

jeffb 10-10-2011 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 574924)
Pretty reasonable to you, someone who has no affiliation in professional sports. A 50/50 split means a reduced salary of about $280 million. NBA superstars are among the least paid in professional sports, and you think its jolly to bring it to 50/50. The owners make much more than you think, if anything this is just a point of power the are trying to make.



The least paid in professional sports? The average salary in the NBA is over 5 Million which is up there in north America just behind MLB. This isn't the NHL. As for what the owners make, I don't think they lose anywhere near what they're saying, but I do believe a lot are losing money.

jeffb 10-10-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 574925)
I think hockey superstars are paid less.... and I think we shouldn't be basing it on what superstars make anyways for numerous reasons.



You think? An NHL star makes what 8-9Mil max, the NBA star is usually around the 20Mil/yr mark, with some in the 23-25Mil/yr range. Bosh makes more is 6yrs than anyone in the NHL makes with double the term. There are obvious reasons for that, mainly roster size. But I won't shed a tear for the current NBA players. Especially when you have a player like Weems scoffing at 1Mil/yr.

Cahrlie V makes nearly what Sidney Crosby makes and makes more than 95% of any NHL player anually. That's a sobering statistic.

Deez 10-10-2011 04:10 PM

You can say the owners are making a lot of money, but once the league has to take over and run an NBA franchise because no one in their right minds would buy it, the arguement can't get very far. There are not too many people who need to be forced to take a share in all that money the owners make. A lot of billionaires would be content to break even if they can get the "swag" and satisfaction of being an owner. They can't even offer that in New Orleans.

Maybe they should just contract 4 teams and force some of the whiners to go play in Europe.

Ooooh. Bad topic today.

Chauncey Hardy, American basketball player, dies after attack in Romania - Crimesider - CBS News

LX 10-10-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammo (Post 574937)
You can say the owners are making a lot of money, but once the league has to take over and run an NBA franchise because no one in their right minds would buy it, the arguement can't get very far. There are not too many people who need to be forced to take a share in all that money the owners make. A lot of billionaires would be content to break even if they can get the "swag" and satisfaction of being an owner. They can't even offer that in New Orleans.

Maybe they should just contract 4 teams and force some of the whiners to go play in Europe.

Ooooh. Bad topic today.

Chauncey Hardy, American basketball player, dies after attack in Romania - Crimesider - CBS News

The biggest reason Shinn went to NO, was to get out of Charlotte where he was fighting sexual assault charges. Here's what bugs me - the owners get all kinds of breaks from citizens where they operate, whether or not those citizens are sports fans, based on what they can do for the local economy; but then they have no problem leaving major costs behind, and leave fans and local businesses in the lurch, if they can't maintain privileges that shouldn't be coming to them, or they find more privileges available to them elsewhere, or they simply want to follow a whim.

Owners make an investment, and there should be a sense that they could lose money in the deal just like with any investments regular people make. There should also be a sense of a social contract, beyond what they hype up regarding their love of the community. We see too much asked of the citizenry without much of anything required in return, and considering that a good majority of people likely have no particular interest in basketball, it's really out of whack. This current situation sees them looking to ensure huge profits regardless of their own recklessness or business savvy, and there is no consideration for what this lockout means to the communities that support them.

Show me a sense that they are looking to impove the game and even out the playing field among all owners, and I'm all over blaming the players and agents. But instead I see a group of people looking for a bigger chunk and greater privileges and assurances. I've already seen the game diminished from 25 years of marketing the individual stars at the cost of luck becoming the predominant factor for too many teams to build a strong, balanced roster. Of course that has only been amplified by players and agents buying in, but it's the owners that supposedly have the hammer and willingness to do what it takes to shape the rules, and instead of reshaping what exists, they just want a bigger chunk coming their way.

Kobe>LeBron 10-10-2011 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 574924)
Pretty reasonable to you, someone who has no affiliation in professional sports. A 50/50 split means a reduced salary of about $280 million. NBA superstars are among the least paid in professional sports, and you think its jolly to bring it to 50/50. The owners make much more than you think, if anything this is just a point of power the are trying to make.

Ahahhaha what?

NBA's 'average' salary -- $5.15M -- a trendy, touchy subject | NBA.com
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Asked after an unproductive Aug. 1 session in New York about the NFL's new labor settlement, Stern said: "From where we sit, we are looking at a league [the NFL] that was the most profitable in sports, that became more profitable by virtue of concessions from their players, with an average salary of $2 million. Our average salary is $5 million, we're not profitable and we just can't seem to get over the gap that separates us."
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NBA: $5.15 million (2010-11)

MLB: $3.34 million (2010)

NHL: $2.4 million (2010-11)

NFL: $1.9 million (2010)
Or if you want to use median:
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In the NFL, the median salary is approximately $770,000 -- about 40 percent of the average.

In the NBA, using USA Today salary figures for the 2009-10 season, the estimated median salary was about $2.33 million.
NBA players make too much and they really should take a cut. I'm saying they shouldn't be the highest paid as NBA roster isn't as big compared to other sports but to say "NBA superstars are among the least paid in professional sports" is a complete joke.

jeffb 10-10-2011 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobe>LeBron (Post 574950)
Ahahhaha what?

NBA's 'average' salary -- $5.15M -- a trendy, touchy subject | NBA.com




Or if you want to use median:


NBA players make too much and they really should take a cut. I'm saying they shouldn't be the highest paid as NBA roster isn't as big compared to other sports but to say "NBA superstars are among the least paid in professional sports" is a complete joke.

Haaah, thank you. In his defense, Don Vito has a high IQ so he must have missed those minor details.


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