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Old 10-06-2011, 09:44 AM   #281 (permalink)
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Its on realgm as well
it MUST be true then.....
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:59 AM   #282 (permalink)
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Thought this tweet from Amare was hilarious.

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LOL what is he "boycotting?"
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:58 PM   #284 (permalink)
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it MUST be true then.....
-__-" I meant its more than the twitter dude saying it
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Old 10-06-2011, 03:14 PM   #285 (permalink)
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it MUST be true then.....
probably is considering there are 3 sources with it.
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Old 10-06-2011, 08:32 PM   #286 (permalink)
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Each side already has signaled a willingness to at least discuss 51 percent for the players in some form, based on the league's informal offer of a 49-51 band and the players' informal counter of 51-53. Each percentage point move is worth $300 million, based on a seven-year deal. The numbers are large, but at least the math is neat.

To figure out how much farther each side will go, you have to quantify how much they would lose by canceling the first two weeks of the regular season. For the players, it's $200 million -- $140.6 million for the 301 players under contract, plus an estimated $53.7 million for the 129 free agents, $4.4 million for the 30 first-round picks and $1.2 million for the 30 second-round picks, based on calculations provided by a front office executive.

Tuesday, deputy commissioner Adam Silver estimated the losses associated with canceling the first two weeks of games as being "in the hundreds of millions." We know what the players' loss would be, so let's call it about the same $200 million for the owners. This doesn't count the collateral damage that is difficult to quantify, plus the slippery slope of cancellations leading to more cancellations as each side inevitably hardens its position by trying to recoup those losses. Fighting to get the $200 million back results in losing $200 million more, and before you know it, $4 billion is gone.

So when the sides resume meeting -- possibly as early as Thursday, with a league-imposed Monday deadline to reach a deal before regular-season games are canceled -- each one moves another $200 million. (They'd lose that money anyway by failing to reach a deal.) The bargaining gap is now $500 million over seven years, or about $71 million a year.

Here's how they close it: They split the difference. The magic number is $16.05 billion, or roughly 51.5 percent for the players and 48.5 for the owners. Given the format already discussed by the two sides, this could be accomplished with the players receiving a band of 51-52 percent.

Is it foolproof? Hell no. For one thing, just as there are owners ready to make a deal (James Dolan, Jerry Buss, Micky Arison), there are those who will view less than 50 percent as a negotiating defeat. For another, the Super Seven -- powerful agents who wrote to their clients over the weekend warning them about accepting a bad deal -- were planning a conference call among themselves Wednesday afternoon to discuss the state of negotiations and what to do next.

"You have a reasonable idea," a person connected to the negotiations said. "But you're not dealing with reasonable people."

Indeed, according to a person with knowledge of the powerful agents' strategy, there are some serious reservations about how the National Basketball Players Association negotiated its way from 57 percent to where they are now -- a place that union chief Billy Hunter described Tuesday as "on the 2- or 3-yard line. The question is, can we punch it in?"

To do so, the union will have to find a way to appease the agents, who view the owners' $1.3 billion move skeptically because of how low their initial bargaining position was -- and how far the players had already come before Tuesday, giving up almost $1 billion over seven years by going from 57 percent to 54. In addition, although league negotiators have agreed to drop their insistence on a hard team salary cap and rollbacks on existing contracts while leaving the max salary structure intact, the devil is in the details.

The agents have been pushing behind the scenes for a more open and flexible system to allow for easier player movement, which they believe drives fan interest and revenue -- as was overwhelmingly the case during the free-agent summer of 2010. The NBPA has been successful only in preserving system elements, not adding to them.

So the league could dig in at 51 percent for the players, and they could dig in pretty hard considering they just moved $1.3 billion in five hours Tuesday -- not to mention relaxing the system elements they agreed to preserve.

Similarly, the players could dig in hard at 52 percent, having already made a $1.3 billion concession of their own by going from 57 percent under the previous deal to 53. Not inconsequentially, sources say 52 percent is a figure the most influential voices in the group of powerful agents would accept -- though at least one of them has told associates he'd be willing to miss a month of games to get it.

Will anyone care about the month of games? Probably not. Will anyone miss the $800 million it would cost both sides? You bet.

By the time negotiators reach that moment of truth, probably Sunday night, they will be standing on a hill insisting that they are willing to die there over 0.5 percent of BRI -- or $150 million, less than they would lose if the first two weeks were canceled Monday.

I'm not going to say my only question is which hotel am I going to Sunday, because there are dozens, if not more than 100, negotiating points still to be resolved. But it may be time to deliver a new cake, with new numbers on it: 51-52.

NBPA, owners can reach finish line on new deal; here's how - NBA - CBSSports.com Basketball
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Sources: Owners Will Be Unwilling To Offer 50/50 Split Of BRI Again In Short-Term
Oct 06, 2011 4:21 PM EDT

The NBA owners, according to sources, never wanted to above an offer of 48.5 percent for the players' share of basketball-related income.

David Stern recently asked the players to conceptually consider a 50/50 split, but he apparently had minimal support.

Furthermore, no source in ownership or management that has spoken with Adrian Wojnarowski believes the players will receive that competitive of an offer again anytime soon.

Read more: Sources Owners Will Be Unwilling To Offer 50 - RealGM Wiretap
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Old 10-06-2011, 08:58 PM   #288 (permalink)
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^ I still say that there has to be common ground with those numbers. At least i hope so.
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Old 10-06-2011, 09:11 PM   #289 (permalink)
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Owners should fire stern after this is all over for doing something like that.
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Old 10-06-2011, 09:13 PM   #290 (permalink)
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Stern is playing this extremely well... the players will cave, just not as soon as we'd like.
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Old 10-06-2011, 09:27 PM   #291 (permalink)
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^ I still say that there has to be common ground with those numbers. At least i hope so.
Well I hope so as well, I just want a season
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:24 PM   #292 (permalink)
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Owners should fire stern after this is all over for doing something like that.
Why? Stern will break the union, he has all the power and he's not going to do anything that the owners haven't ok'd him to do.
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Why? Stern will break the union, he has all the power and he's not going to do anything that the owners haven't ok'd him to do.
+1 im on the owners side
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I'm on no one's side. The owners and players are both greedy and want more money on top of what they have. They should just swallow their frigging egos and save basketball fans from watching the NHL.
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I'm on no one's side. The owners and players are both greedy and want more money on top of what they have. They should just swallow their frigging egos and save basketball fans from watching the NHL.
atleast the leafs won today
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I'm on no one's side. The owners and players are both greedy and want more money on top of what they have. They should just swallow their frigging egos and save basketball fans from watching the NHL.
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If NBA fans are forced to watch hockey they may learn a little something about player toughness, lack of selfishness, and willingness to do what it takes to help their team win.

But hey, why would we want that. It's ok to watch NBA player in press conferences use the work 'I' over 30 times.
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If NBA fans are forced to watch hockey they may learn a little something about player toughness, lack of selfishness, and willingness to do what it takes to help their team win.

But hey, why would we want that. It's ok to watch NBA player in press conferences use the work 'I' over 30 times.


And if you don't like the sport?
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Why? Stern will break the union, he has all the power and he's not going to do anything that the owners haven't ok'd him to do.
Except the article said he had minimal support.

What if the players accepted that, he brought that back to the owners and said "Well I got us our 50/50"
The owners turn around and say "Well, we want more"
What do the players say then, they were told by Stern he was offering 50/50 when he couldn't.
The tone of the article led me to believe Stern was offering the 50/50 to try to attempt to bridge the gap without actually being able to ever close that deal.
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Except the article said he had minimal support.

What if the players accepted that, he brought that back to the owners and said "Well I got us our 50/50"
The owners turn around and say "Well, we want more"
What do the players say then, they were told by Stern he was offering 50/50 when he couldn't.
The tone of the article led me to believe Stern was offering the 50/50 to try to attempt to bridge the gap without actually being able to ever close that deal.
stern proposed the idea for a discussion, saying if they would like to entertain the idea of a 50/50 split
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