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Old 10-04-2011, 03:05 AM   #241 (permalink)
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In joint letter, top NBA agents urge players to not back down in talks

Sam Amick >INSIDE THE NBA
SI.com
Oct. 3, 2011

With the NBA lockout stage already set for a Tuesday meeting in New York that may determine whether the regular season starts on time, a group of agents who have been pushing for decertification of the union and whose respective firms represent more than half the league ensured they would be heard before the verdict comes down.

In a letter to their clients, Arn Tellem (Wasserman Media Group), Bill Duffy (BDA Sports), Dan Fegan (Lagardère Unlimited), Jeff Schwartz (Excel Sports Management), Leon Rose and Henry Thomas (Creative Artists Agency) and Mark Bartelstein (Priority Sports and Entertainment), outlined what is deemed acceptable and unacceptable going into the biggest day of negotiating yet.

Here are some of the notable demands in the letter, which was obtained by SI.com from a player: (Click here for the full letter in PDF):

• With the National Basketball Players' Association having already offered to drop the players' portion of basketball-related income from 57 percent to 52 percent, the agents implore players to insist on "no further reduction of the BRI received by the players. A source close to the union told SI.com recently that any agreed-upon deal in which the players received 51 percent could possibly be ratified but would likely lead to the ousting of Billy Hunter as the NBPA's executive director, so this is in line with those parameters.

• A system in which the current structure of the Bird and mid-level exceptions remains the same.

• No reduction in salary from existing levels for maximum contract players.

• No changes in unrestricted free agency and improvements on restricted free agency.

• "Refuse any deal that excludes players from the explosive growth of the NBA." Owners' proposals that have started with players receiving 46 percent of the BRI have included drastic declines in their percentage of the pie in the later years of the agreement.

The agents also tell players to make a few demands outside of the proposal as well.

• "Demand that the NBPA submit any proposed agreement to a vote by all NBA players and provide every player with a reasonable amount of time to review and consider the proposed deal." As reported by ESPN.com, players were given less than a day to vote on the owners' proposal in 1998 and only 184 of the 400-plus players actually voted.

• "Demand to see the complete financial records of the owners over the past six seasons, including their related entities (such as regional sports networks and arenas)."

The letter is clearly a preemptive strike on the part of the agents, their best attempt at playing a part in the negotiations and the latest sign of their lack of faith in the NBPA. Yet while players certainly look to their agents for information, insight and advice, the reality is that the majority of them will follow their own instincts when the time comes to vote on a deal. And if a there's one that is less than ideal but lets the season to begin, a fair number of those players will likely be willing to sign off.

Such was the case when one player who attended the union meeting in Los Angeles on Aug. 16 in which Kobe Bryant stood to address the troubled masses. It was, by all accounts, a worthwhile and inspiring speech. But when Bryant spoke of waiting the owners out so that the players could force their way into a good deal, the player turned a deaf ear.

"That's nice, Kobe," the player said in reflecting on that day. "But you've got a little more in the bank than I do."

It is, make no mistake, the sort of sentiment the owners are hoping to bank on and these agents are hoping to eliminate.
Top NBA agents gives players list of demands for labor meeting - Sam Amick - SI.com
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Why would agents have this much of a say in anything?
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Why would agents have this much of a say in anything?
That's the hilarious part - they don't. It is simply a question of whether players will listen to their agents. The agents are coming off as the most greedy of the three groups through their constant threats of decertification and telling players not to negotiate in good faith (ie don't accept any drop in BRI sharing). And they really have no power, except their influence over their clients.
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That's the hilarious part - they don't. It is simply a question of whether players will listen to their agents. The agents are coming off as the most greedy of the three groups through their constant threats of decertification and telling players not to negotiate in good faith (ie don't accept any drop in BRI sharing). And they really have no power, except their influence over their clients.
I was listening to the radio last week and they were saying that if the BRI was just split down the middle 50/50, that the owners would make 500Mil more and there wouldn't be a need for a hardcap (since they said they lost 300Mil last season). Maybe a supertax and that's it.

It seems to me the BRI is the one thing that effects everything more than anything else. If the players can just agree to split it, that would be a big step towards an agreement.
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I was listening to the radio last week and they were saying that if the BRI was just split down the middle 50/50, that the owners would make 500Mil more and there wouldn't be a need for a hardcap (since they said they lost 300Mil last season). Maybe a supertax and that's it.

It seems to me the BRI is the one thing that effects everything more than anything else. If the players can just agree to split it, that would be a big step towards an agreement.
True enough - but the BRI is also the only thing that has any impact on what the players make - the hard cap doesn't, a supertax doesn't, etc. The players oppose those things because they restrict player movement, but there are other proposals being put in place to free up player movement as well, so they kind of cancel each other out. The big issue for the players is the BRI split - the rhetoric about the cap, etc, is just to give the impression that when the players finally agree to a supertax or eliminating bird rights, they are making a 'concession,' so the owners should make a concession back in the BRI split.

The BRI is the only thing concerning the agents as well, so that influence is part of it too.

I expect the players will eventually cave on all the issues, really, and especially the BRI - probably to the tune of 51% to the owners (that would give them about 320 million more than last year - don't know where the radio guys got 500 million from). That would recover the 300 million lost last year, and in coming years should give the owners profits almost across the board.
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True enough - but the BRI is also the only thing that has any impact on what the players make - the hard cap doesn't, a supertax doesn't, etc. The players oppose those things because they restrict player movement, but there are other proposals being put in place to free up player movement as well, so they kind of cancel each other out. The big issue for the players is the BRI split - the rhetoric about the cap, etc, is just to give the impression that when the players finally agree to a supertax or eliminating bird rights, they are making a 'concession,' so the owners should make a concession back in the BRI split.

The BRI is the only thing concerning the agents as well, so that influence is part of it too.

I expect the players will eventually cave on all the issues, really, and especially the BRI - probably to the tune of 51% to the owners (that would give them about 320 million more than last year - don't know where the radio guys got 500 million from). That would recover the 300 million lost last year, and in coming years should give the owners profits almost across the board.
the previous deal of 57/43 was just asinine.
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A source close to the union told SI.com recently that any agreed-upon deal in which the players received 51 percent could possibly be ratified but would likely lead to the ousting of Billy Hunter as the NBPA's executive director.

The owners are currently offering 46% to the players, which is a drop from 57% in its existing structure.
Players Could Ratify 51 Percent Of BRI But Oust Hunter - RealGM Wiretap

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According to a series of Tweets from ESPN's Marc Stein, the NBA would need to reach the outline of an agreement on a new labor deal by around Wednesday in order for a full 82-game season to be viable.

While some insiders believe it is possible for the sides to bridge its current divide within that timeframe, the majority feel there are too many issues to overcome.
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the meeting just ended, hoping for some good news
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the meeting just ended, hoping for some good news
7hr meeting. Doubt there's a deal, but imo that's a good sign that at least they're not storming out.
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well the players are going to come and then the owners after, so im assuming no deal was made
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its the same crap every day, a little progress is made but a long way to go, this is getting annoying
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I didn't expect a deal to be made today. BUT imo everything i hear for the most part is good. 5 of the last 6 days they've met for a total of 30 hours. That's not a bad thing....patience.
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I didn't expect a deal to be made today. BUT imo everything i hear for the most part is good. 5 of the last 6 days they've met for a total of 30 hours. That's not a bad thing....patience.
They should just lock them in a room and not let them out until a deal is made
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FAIL, again, we're screwed

NBA, NBPA fail to reach labor deal on Tuesday - CBSSports.com
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owners offered a 50-50 split, players didnt take it -__-
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owners offered a 50-50 split, players didnt take it -__-
Actually, that's good. I think it'll end up not far from that 51/49 for the players.
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David Stern addressed the media following Tuesday's meeting and talked about coming off a hard cap, no rollbacks of existing salaries, players can opt-out after seven years.

Stern said that the owners informally asked if the players would be willing to entertain a 50-50 split of BRI on a conceptual level.

The players said that it would not be something they were comfortable considering.

"We want the dignity and luxury of being at the 47 against their 53," said Stern.
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David Stern said that the remainder of the preseason will be canceled on Tuesday and the regular season is in severe danger.

"By Monday, we will have no choice but to cancel the first two weeks of the season," said Stern.

Deputy commissioner Adam Silver indicated the league office has spent considerable time with the teams calculating loss of revenue and it would be in the hundreds of millions.



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Amar'e Stoudemire left Tuesday's labor meeting shortly after 4:00 PM EST.

"So far, we're making progress, which is great," said Stoudemire.

"Both sides are confident about getting something done. We're just trying to make sure we work it out."
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NBA players and owners meeting over... and the players don't get it

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NBA players today offered to slice their percentage of the basketball-related income (BRI) to 53 percent, down from the 58 they've been getting, but the owners countered at 47 percent.

That was the word from the players as today's meeting broke up in New York and union head Billy Hunter said, "As of this moment, we've broken off negotiations."

Commissioner David Stern later intimated the players turned down a 50-50 revenue split and that he was cancelling the final two weeks of exhibition games. He added that if there isn't an agreement by Monday, the first two weeks of the regular season will be scrubbed -- and there are no meetings scheduled by Monday.

Hunter also said decertification is "something we have to give some thought to."

It's pretty clear by now that regular-season games will be missed. Perhaps a lot of them. I'm afraid some players are going to have to miss paychecks before they're ready to make some hard decisions about giving back even more.

Here's the thing to keep in mind throughout this whole negotiation: A lot of people think negotiation means compromise. No way. It never has. The owners are not into compromise. Negotiation is about leverage and power. And the owners, because of their willingness not to play this season, have a hammer.

How many times do I have to say this: The owners want their way. They don't want a compromise. If the players don't give them what they want, or close to it, this thing will kill the season.

You can talk you want about how that isn't "fair." But "fair" isn't what this is all about.

I can't believe the players wouldn't take the 50-50 split. Man, who else are you going to work for that guarantees employees half the profits revenue? And by the way, hold you responsible for zero percent of the losses.

I would be willing to be you that if you let ALL the players vote on this, it would pass.
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I agree with this, if ALL the players were to vote right now they would probably be a season starting on time. Right now its looks as if its only the superstars are getting a say on how much money they want, and as long as you got people lek wade who think they should be getting paid 50 mill a year for putting a ball in a hoop, you can forget about the season
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