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Old 09-30-2011, 12:54 PM   #221 (permalink)
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.......Over the course of the week, various sources with knowledge of the talks have shared some of the concepts being discussed with ESPN.com. Possibilities presented by the league as alternatives to a hard cap include: The institution of a sliding "Supertax" that would charge teams $2 in luxury tax for every dollar over $70 million in payroll, $3 for every dollar over $75 million in payroll and $4 for every dollar for teams with payrolls above $80 million A provision to allow each team to release one player via the so-called "amnesty" clause and gain both salary-cap and luxury-tax relief when that player's cap number is removed from the books Shortening guaranteed contracts to a maximum of three or four seasons

.......Reducing the annual mid-level exception, which was valued at $5.8 million last season, to roughly $3 million annually and limiting mid-level contracts to a maximum of two or three seasons in length as opposed to the current maximum of five seasons A new "Carmelo Rule" that would prevent teams -- as the New York Knicks did in February with Anthony -- from using a Bird exception to sign or extend a player acquired by trade unless they are acquired before July 1 of the final season of the player's contract The abolition of sign-and-trades and the bi-annual exception worth $2 million ESPN.com
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The NBA and its players could move closer to a new collective bargaining agreement this Friday if both sides agree to compromise.

“There are two victory speeches being written up now,” one Western Conference executive said. “Stern just needs to give Hunter his.”
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NEW YORK – Here was David Stern playing the lockout bogeyman on a city sidewalk, reaching past Billy Hunter and Derek Fisher(notes) to speak directly to the players with a doom-and-gloom prophecy. Come on down to the posh Manhattan hotel on Friday, stay the weekend, and let me show you all over again how the commissioner buries the NBA bodies. When Stern dictates this lockout is over, it ends.

That’s the hard truth, the hard road to labor peace. Stern’s job is convincing the owners to pull off the press, take the 30-point victory and leave the floor with some grace and dignity.

This has been rigged for years and months and weeks, and here’s how a deal happens this weekend: In the carnage of a devastating collective bargaining loss for the union with billions of dollars redirected into owners’ pockets, Stern has to give Hunter something to take back to the players, so that the union’s bloodied, bruised and beaten executive director can still raise his arms and declare that, yes, we won.

Stern’s “going to make a real hard push to get a deal this weekend,” one team president told Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday. “If the union makes a slight move, David will move.

“But the players have to blink first.”

When Stern decides to give Hunter an escape valve, this is over. When Stern can convince his owners to back off, this is over. Stern needs to give Hunter something to take back to the union, and say, “We won.” Maybe it’s the illusion of a soft salary cap, the preservation of the midlevel exception, a 50-50 revenue percentage split. Whatever. This isn’t about a fair deal, it’s about a deal the union can rationalize to the players for ratification.

Hunter has no leverage, and no way out. This isn’t about getting the players a great deal, it’s about getting out of this without the agents overthrowing him. The union keeps insisting its players will go the distance, sit out the season, and that’s not happening. It sounds noble and strong, and there are players with the stomach to do it. Yet, there aren’t enough of them. What’s more, there’s the sobering understanding that the bad deal being offered now becomes worse in December.
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NEW YORK (AP) -- One down, two big issues to go for an agreement that would end the NBA lockout.

It may not happen this weekend, but players and owners both say they are working to get there soon enough that the season can start on time.

"All I'll say is there was a sense of urgency in the room today," NBA Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver said after the sides met for more than four hours Friday.

"I think the sense today from both sides is we really need to push this weekend. Time is of the essence, and I don't think there was any disagreement about that by both parties."

All-Stars LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade and Kevin Durant joined the players' association executive committee for what president Derek Fisher called an "engaging" meeting with the owners' labor relations committee.

Afterward, Commissioner David Stern indicated that the union will OK the owners' plan for enhanced revenue sharing. However, the salary cap structure remains an obstacle, as does the division of revenues between the sides.

They will return Saturday morning and are committed to talking through the weekend, knowing additional cancellations are likely necessary next week if they're not close to a deal.

A week of preseason games have already been lost, and the Nov. 1 regular season opener would be in jeopardy without progress this weekend.

Some may have been made in regards to the league's plan for enhanced revenue sharing among owners - which players had long argued as a way for the league to address its losses.

Stern emphatically denied that he would threaten to cancel the entire season this early even if things don't go well this weekend. Still, he repeated that there would be danger in not making progress soon.

"Both sides agreed that the consequences of not making a deal lead us to the prospect of possibly at some point in the not distant future losing regular-season games," Stern said. "And we agreed that once you start to lose them and the players lose paychecks and the owners lose money, then positions on both sides will harden and those are the enormous consequences that I referred to in terms of trying to make a deal."

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-- According to a person familiar with the negotiations, the owners and players met initially at about 2 p.m. ET and broke up to discuss the situation privately among themselves. The players, furious at seeing first hand the owners' offer of 46 percent of basketball-related income (BRI) -- down from their previous level of 57 percent -- were unanimous about what to do.

"Let's go," one of the players said, according to a source. "There's no reason to go back in there."
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The owners have been unable to agree on revenue sharing and, as much as anything, it is keeping them from bridging the gap with the players, according to sources.

Large-market owners have refused to share their local television revenues, which are substantial in comparison to smaller-market teams.

If the big-market owners don't agree to share more revenue, the small-market owners will keep pushing for a harsher deal from the players.
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Dwyane Wade "stood up for himself," a person with knowledge of the meeting said when he confronted David Stern, who was behaving with a tone and gestures the players took exception to.

According to two people familiar with the incident, Wade warned Stern not to point his finger and made reference to not being a child.

After the confrontation, union chief Billy Hunter and Stern met privately, seeking a way to calm nerves and preserve the rest of the negotiations.

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wade shows up and all of a sudden it's about him and stern? ego.
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As the players meet Friday among themselves and then with a group owners, ESPN.com’s Marc Stein reports in this must-read piece that the league has proposed several tweaks to the old soft salary-cap structure. The key bullets:

• The institution of a sliding “Supertax” that would charge teams $2 in luxury tax for every dollar over $70 million in payroll, $3 for every dollar over $75 million in payroll and $4 for every dollar for teams with payrolls above $80 million

• Limiting Larry Bird rights — which enable teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents — to one player per team per season

• Reducing the annual mid-level exception, which was valued at $5.8 million last season, to roughly $3 million annually and limiting mid-level contracts to a maximum of two or three seasons in length as opposed to the current maximum of five seasons

• A new “Carmelo Rule” that would prevent teams — as the New York Knicks did in February with Anthony — from using a Bird exception to sign or extend a player acquired by trade unless they are acquired before July 1 of the final season of the player’s contract

• The abolition of sign-and-trades and the bi-annual exception worth $2 million

• Significant reductions in maximum salaries and annual raises and a 5 percent rollbacks on current contracts.

Reminder: These are some of the ideas the league has proposed as alternatives to a hard team-by-team salary cap. Whether the players can accept them is an entirely different story, and I’ve already heard they find the 4-to-1 tax ratio — and perhaps even the 3-to-1 ratio — unpalatable.

It’s easy to get lost in the potential implications of each specific proposal. Some proposals interact awkwardly with each other, and one proposal on its own could have several apparently contradictory effects. This is a web of ideas with ripple effects both known and unknown. It is complicated.

But if you step back and look at them from a distance, you can sense the ideal the league is going for: less spending and more player movement.

The “less spending” part is obvious. Taken together, these proposals amount to an attempt at legislating a hard salary cap without actually having a hard salary cap. Even the Lakers and Knicks would think twice about spending $90 million on payroll if doing so involves paying a whopping $67 million in taxes — the approximate tax the Lakers would have paid last season under the proposal Stein outlines. (Hat tip: ESPN.com’s Tom Haberstroh.)
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That sounds like something going in the right direction. Now forget about cutting the BRI back so much and not getting a deal done would lay squarely on the players' shoulders.
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Old 10-02-2011, 12:25 PM   #229 (permalink)
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50/50 BRI + Add the supertax


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NBA owners and players failed to reach a new labour deal after about seven hours of talks Saturday, focused mostly on the league’s salary cap structure.
The sides will meet again Mon*day, though time is getting short to save the start of the regular season — scheduled to begin on Nov. 1 — and neither side sounds optimistic.

“I wouldn’t say there was any progress. What happened was, they put some concepts up, we put some concepts up, and we’re still miles apart," union executive director Billy Hunter said.

“There’s a huge bridge, gap, that I don’t know if we’re going to be able to close it or not."

In their longest bargaining session since the lockout began July 1, the sides focused mainly on one of the two major issues that divides them. Owners want a hard cap, or at least want a num*ber of changes to the current soft cap system, which the players prefer to keep largely intact.

The sides didn’t even attempt to deal with the division of reve*nues, the other big obstacle to a labour deal that would end the lockout.

Commissioner David Stern said he had nothing to announce in terms of cancellations. But the remainder of the pre-season schedule is in jeopardy — some games already have been can*celled — and given there hasn’t been the progress he wanted this weekend, the regular-season games could now be threatened, too.

“Our desire would be to not cancel, and we had been hopeful that this weekend would be a broader marker, but for reasons which we understand, the play*ers suggested that we resume on Monday, and we said ‘Fine,’ " Stern said.

Stern did indicate some level of progress, saying: “We’re not near anything, but wherever that is, we’re closer than we were before."

The sides will meet in small groups, then bring large groups back for an*other meeting Tuesday.
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I know it's a business, blah blah blah. But reading this shit really pisses me off. Wade not wanting to be spoken to like a child. Stern playing Daddy. All of this in the midst of some pretty dire economic times. Everyday people are taking their lickings in the economy and these bastards can't seem to work out a deal where they're still making millions. Shrink the league. Granted I'm saying this knowing the team I support isn't going anywhere.
I think this little small thing is obfuscating some bigger issues, which is, if things are as bad as they really are, then shrink the league. How does a new CBA combat the reality that the league has grown to an unsustainable level? If their business model truly is as bad as both sides are "leading" us to believe then just start moving out of places like Atlanta, Minnesota, OKC etc.
About the only thing I've liked so far is the talk about getting agents out of the fucking league. They've driven up prices, and found cracks to make shit like Miami and parity a detrimental thing to the culture of the league. They've worked (and so has the League and the machine) at making this a star-driven game. Hollywood hoops.
All this goes to show how much this fucking league isn't about basketball. Period. It's show business pretending to be something other than it is. Desire. Love. Passion. It's become shit you see on an Adidas commercial more frequently than on the court. A growing part of me hopes they don't work it out. Then at least tey'll have made up my mind for me about investing time in this fiction and find others to follow.
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Yep. When it comes down to it, I'm just tired of how both sides have milked the system by promoting individual stars over the game itself, for the last 25 years. That is in spite of the last decade being about a renaissance of the team game, in terms of the successful franchises. The economic model seems to be more than a decade behind the business reality, but it's such an easy formula whether it's good for the game or not, and mostly it is not.
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I dunno. In the end, were the fools. Why really, do we need to pay so much to watch a bunch of guys play basketball?

Think about it. These games are worth maybe 10-20 bucks. No more than a college game really.... maybe double a college game. I'm surprised they all feel so entitled. As if running and dunking a ball is such a big effin deal. Hell there's kids on this board that can do that.
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Yep. When it comes down to it, I'm just tired of how both sides have milked the system by promoting individual stars over the game itself, for the last 25 years. That is in spite of the last decade being about a renaissance of the team game, in terms of the successful franchises. The economic model seems to be more than a decade behind the business reality, but it's such an easy formula whether it's good for the game or not, and mostly it is not.
you know, basketball could become a lot like soccer soon enough if the league doesnt put its foot down. basically they could go in two directions in the end. turn out like baseball where the cap was deemed garbage, and useless and the "rich get richer" motto became evident (disregarding the movie moneyball) or they could follow the nhl. now i dont follow either of these leagues so i dont know how credible what im saying is but hockey has a hard cap right? so now im just nervous because i believe the league will be alot worse than soccer simply because N/A people are more celebrity hungry than the europeans. as well for soccer, chemistry always plays a role (see madrid not winning the champions league for a while even with arguably the best team on paper and the greatest manager in the game).in basketball though, 2 or 3 stars and you got yourself, to quote the arrogant, not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six but seven championships (or something along those lines.) i love playing the sport, and i love watching it but this cba change could determine whether i ever sit down in front of the tv with a couple of my closest friends and pizza and watch an NBA game. oh woe is us!
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Luke Babbitt makes more then Nicolas Batum, there's your frickin' problem!

Yuppie chumps sneaking in and making bank, while hard working 2nd rounders and walk-ons don't make squat. Add more then a decade of blatant Laker favortism into the mix and boom, their goes the NBA.
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Six of the NBA's most powerful agencies jointly composed a warning letter about the new bargaining agreement being negotiated and sent it to their clients on Monday, according to sources.

The letter advises the players not to ratify any deal that includes a reduction in basketball-related income beyond the 57 percent or any other systematic changes from the last collective bargaining agreement, which expired July 1.

Sources say the letter, a copy of which was obtained from a player who received it, was jointly composed by Arn Tellem of Wasserman Media Group; Bill Duffy of BDA Sports; Dan Fegan of Lagardere Unlimited; Jeff Schwartz of Excel Sports Management; Leon Rose and Henry Thomas of Creative Artists Agency; and Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports and Entertainment.

The letter sent Monday by the agents does not mention decertification, nor does it suggest that their clients break from the union. The letter advises them to request ample time to review any labor deal the union might present.

How the letter impacts negotiations or the timeline on a deal being struck remains to be seen. But one of the closing statements, written in bold italics, is: "Remember, it is not about when or how fast a deal is reached, it is about taking the time to secure the best deal."



Read more: Agents Issue Joint Letter Of Warning To Clients - RealGM Wiretap
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Six of the NBA's most powerful agencies jointly composed a warning letter about the new bargaining agreement being negotiated and sent it to their clients on Monday, according to sources.

The letter advises the players not to ratify any deal that includes a reduction in basketball-related income beyond the 57 percent or any other systematic changes from the last collective bargaining agreement, which expired July 1.

Sources say the letter, a copy of which was obtained from a player who received it, was jointly composed by Arn Tellem of Wasserman Media Group; Bill Duffy of BDA Sports; Dan Fegan of Lagardere Unlimited; Jeff Schwartz of Excel Sports Management; Leon Rose and Henry Thomas of Creative Artists Agency; and Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports and Entertainment.

The letter sent Monday by the agents does not mention decertification, nor does it suggest that their clients break from the union. The letter advises them to request ample time to review any labor deal the union might present.

How the letter impacts negotiations or the timeline on a deal being struck remains to be seen. But one of the closing statements, written in bold italics, is: "Remember, it is not about when or how fast a deal is reached, it is about taking the time to secure the best deal."



Read more: Agents Issue Joint Letter Of Warning To Clients - RealGM Wiretap
the agents are the greediest douches in this whole negotiation. the imbalance between their power and their usefulness is off the charts.
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