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Old 09-15-2011, 08:57 PM   #181 (permalink)
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When it's rumoured that LA has to pay $50 M into a revenue-sharing model, of course there is going to be a rift!
Not if the owners force the union to decertify, then that's irrelevant
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:59 PM   #182 (permalink)
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greed. both sides.
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Old 09-15-2011, 09:03 PM   #183 (permalink)
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Old 09-15-2011, 09:07 PM   #184 (permalink)
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Meh, business is about making money. The ones with most of the risk should get most of the reward. That's the owners.
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Old 09-16-2011, 11:50 AM   #185 (permalink)
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David Stern denied that there is a rift between owners on how to negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement, a meme referenced by Derek Fisher.

"I don't know what the basis of Derek's belief is," Stern said. "But I can tell you, having just come out of the meeting, the vast majority of owners are indeed in favor of a 'hard-cap system,' as Derek refers to it. Having said that, they authorized the committee to be ready to negotiate on all points, and the committee is."

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Old 09-16-2011, 11:53 AM   #186 (permalink)
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Dan Gilbert took to Twitter to deny he helped derail collective bargaining agreement negotiations.

"Some of these NBA 'bloggissists' flat-out make stuff up and then try to dupe readers into believing their fiction is real. Sad & pathetic," Gilbert wrote.

An ESPN.com story, citing anonymous sources, stated that Gilbert and Phoenix's Robert Sarver expressed discontent with many points of a proposal from the players union during a meeting Tuesday in New York.

According to the report, owners were seriously considering "coming off their demands for a salary freeze and would allow players' future earnings to be tied into the league's revenue growth, a critical point for players. The owners also were willing to allow the players to maintain their current salaries without rollbacks," sources said.



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Old 09-16-2011, 09:57 PM   #187 (permalink)
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Lockout this you overpaid SoCal wimps!!

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Old 09-17-2011, 05:34 AM   #188 (permalink)
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NBA agents growing in favor of union decertification - Sam Amick - SI.com
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Old 09-17-2011, 05:35 AM   #189 (permalink)
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:00 AM   #190 (permalink)
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Several large market owners have been hawkish on installing a hard cap, according to sources.

The logic is that the new system of revenue sharing will impact the bigger market teams and a hard cap will allow them to have more money from which to pull.

“The big markets want to revenue share but not with their current profits,’’ one of the sources said. “Instead, they want to share from the profit they would get from a harder cap.’’*

Boston’s Wyc Grousbeck is widely believed to be in favor of a hard cap, but it is not clear if the Lakers, Knicks, Bulls and Raptors are in agreement.
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Old 09-20-2011, 11:33 AM   #191 (permalink)
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Old 09-20-2011, 11:34 PM   #192 (permalink)
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We've had enough horse poo analyst happy statements about negotiations looking better. We want something on paper, not on Twitter.
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Old 09-20-2011, 11:42 PM   #193 (permalink)
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Could the NBA lockout be coming down to salary cap, hard cap "true believers" and those who just want to get this thing over with? Only the owners know for sure.

To be more specific - this lockout could really come down to two owners, Dan Gilbert of the Cleveland Cavaliers and Robert Sarver of the Phoenix Suns, who aren't willing to negotiate, and to players' agents who are hell bent on decertification.
http://www.denverstiffs.com/2011/9/2...two-hardliners
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Old 09-21-2011, 03:21 PM   #194 (permalink)
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I just want to see a hard cap, and an even playing field.

Come on Seriously. American Greed is messed up beyond no comparison.
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Old 09-21-2011, 03:42 PM   #195 (permalink)
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I just want to see a hard cap, and an even playing field.

Come on Seriously. American Greed is messed up beyond no comparison.
I just don't see a full fledged hard cap in the NBA. I think it'll be a somewhat hard cap. Basically, a hard cap + exceptions.
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Old 09-21-2011, 04:23 PM   #196 (permalink)
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I just don't see a full fledged hard cap in the NBA. I think it'll be a somewhat hard cap. Basically, a hard cap + exceptions.
If they keep the exceptions to only a) Bird exceptions - ie a team can resign its own players and b) minimum contract exception and c) draft pick rights exception, that should balance the competitiveness. No MLE to fill out bloated rosters, and a reduced trade exception - make it a solid dollar figure rather than 25% - say, a half million - and suddenly capped out teams are facing only rookies and min salary guys to improve.
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:24 AM   #197 (permalink)
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:42 AM   #198 (permalink)
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What about a soft cap kind of thing but the luxury tax past that will be much much higher, so it will keep a lot of teams away from going over it? and take out all these exceptions. Especially Sign and trade, so players will think more about when they want to switch from their original team
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Old 09-22-2011, 10:34 AM   #199 (permalink)
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I say Hard cap @ wherever the luxury tax was (70Mil?) Which eliminates the tax altogether and leave in the MLE/Bird rghts and have the revenue at 50/50.
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I say Hard cap @ wherever the luxury tax was (70Mil?) Which eliminates the tax altogether and leave in the MLE/Bird rghts and have the revenue at 50/50.
How does that help the teams that are losing money? The tax is what helps that....
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