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Old 07-31-2008, 04:47 PM   #21 (permalink)
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i have to agree with Ugo on this one.
there are more talented players now then 40, 30, even 20 years ago.
some of those players 40 years ago wouldnt even be playing in the NCAA let alone the NBA.
with all of the practices these guys run, strength training, videos, preparations, etc... these guys are so much better than players of the past.
watch a game from 1960 and you'll see what i mean. you'd see some guy running up the court dribbling with one hand the whole way (because he cant dribble with his left hand)... i dont even want to go on. you think that guy could play PG in today's NBA? you are crazy!
now i hate the fucker, but you put kobe in the 60's/70's and he's the greatest ever.
you put a guy like jerry west in the year 2008 and he's just an average/slightly above average player at best.
players today are so much more stronger, athletic, and more skilled than any decade before them.
the only problem is that the players noadays are complete idiots.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:37 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Sounds like excuses to me.

If he's hurt so badly, why is he playing in the Olympics?
He's not hurt so badly. He was never hurt so badly. It's just there was something messed with his hand that he needs surgery for it.

If he can play 100 games this year in the NBA with his hand, than it would be pretty easy to do the same for the Olympics.



Oh and LAL/Kobe rules.
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Old 07-31-2008, 11:50 PM   #23 (permalink)
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40 years ago? Considering black players were only allowed in the league starting in 51, and that was just a few for the next 15 years or so, i would dispute your claim, and i would also claim athletes today are faster, taller, stronger etc etc. To shrug Kobe off because of the era he is playing in is ridiculous, he would be a prolific scorer in ANY era. He has a deeper all around game then Jordan at both ends of the floor, basically he can do it all. To even dispute that is nonsense imo.

Just a few for the next 15 years? I suggest you go and check your facts.

By 1968 the league only had 14 teams. Could you imagine if there were only fourteen teams today? No scrubs - only the best of the best.

Do you honestly think Kobe would be as effective having to face an All-Star level guard 82 times a season?

I'm sorry, but Kobe is not better than Jordan and I despise MJ.

There's a reason Shaq was the Finals MVP three years in a row and Kobe wasn't.
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There's a reason Shaq was the Finals MVP three years in a row and Kobe wasn't.
Yes. And that reason is because it was Shaq's prime and Kobe was just getting used to the NBA. (Shaq - 28 yrs, Kobe - 22 yrs)

But there's also a reason why Kobe was MVP this year and Shaq wasn't
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i have to agree with Ugo on this one.
there are more talented players now then 40, 30, even 20 years ago.
some of those players 40 years ago wouldnt even be playing in the NCAA let alone the NBA.
with all of the practices these guys run, strength training, videos, preparations, etc... these guys are so much better than players of the past.
watch a game from 1960 and you'll see what i mean. you'd see some guy running up the court dribbling with one hand the whole way (because he cant dribble with his left hand)... i dont even want to go on. you think that guy could play PG in today's NBA? you are crazy!
now i hate the fucker, but you put kobe in the 60's/70's and he's the greatest ever.
you put a guy like jerry west in the year 2008 and he's just an average/slightly above average player at best.
players today are so much more stronger, athletic, and more skilled than any decade before them.
the only problem is that the players noadays are complete idiots.

I've never seen an NBA PG who can't dribble with both hands in any era.

Ever seen footage of Bob Cousy? The guy was craftier than any schmuck playing today.

Guys are more skilled now? You don't have to look hard to see there has been a serious erosion of skills over the last 20 years. Who needs to pass and shoot well when you can outleap everybody...

Put Kobe in the 70's and he's Jellybean Bryant.
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Yes. And that reason is because it was Shaq's prime and Kobe was just getting used to the NBA. (Shaq - 28 yrs, Kobe - 22 yrs)

But there's also a reason why Kobe was MVP this year and Shaq wasn't
There's a reason Kobe hasn't won since he ran Shaq out of LA.

Did Shaq when another title? I don't remember...
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There's a reason Kobe hasn't won since he ran Shaq out of LA.
Shaq is gay though

Exhibit A: Running out on Kobe because they didn't win the championship one year after winning it 3 times in a row...and then criticizes him ("Kobe who?")

Exhibit B: Blaming Kobe for his divorce. Suck it up princess, you left him 4 years ago.

Exhibit C: "Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes" Like WTF?

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Did Shaq when another title? I don't remember...
Ever hear of a player named Dwayne Wade?

And just outta curiosity, what was Miami's record this year?
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Shaq is gay?
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Old 08-01-2008, 12:11 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Not in the homophobic way...

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lol seriously, every1 lulls about the "good ol days" in every sport, but with technology in sports medicine, training and conditioning, its not even close who are the better athletes on every level of the game. Forget, so and so was crafty as hell, he would be blown by, dunked on and laughed at, plain and simple. Go ahead, watch those golden day Celtics, watch the legendary steal and how the guy awkwardly dribbles the ball down the court, watch the weak passes, less showmanship, less athletism. Kobe would have absolutely dominated the game back then, he is faster then any guard you can name from 20 years or beyond, has more hops, is a deadly jump shooter, can obviously beat you off the dribble, is an underrated passer and one of the best 1v1 defenders in the league. You may not like what the guy acts like, or has or hasnt done off the court, but to take that biased and apply it to his game and claim he isnt automatically on the 50 greatest players ever list? Considering he is the best player post Jordan and perhaps pre Lebron (yet to be seen, but that freak is on pace), your basically saying no players from this era could hang with the past.

Kind of funny, alot of people say Jordan is the best ever, but he didnt win til Magic, Larry and Isiah were pretty damn old or gone, does that mean he couldnt hang either?
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Wow, a lot of disrespect for the masters. You know theres something more in basketball than dunks and all that crap. 30 years ago they not only had great skills(Pete Maravich anyone) they had 123123123x the BBall IQ they have now, not to mention the game was much more beautiful and played like it has to be played, AS A TEAM.
The NBA has a bunch of tattoed, brain dead stars and many of them should work in American Gladiators. Few players are worthy.

Basketball used to be like a game of chess, now its a show.
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Old 08-01-2008, 08:58 AM   #32 (permalink)
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You really think todays players dont have high basketball IQs? It sounds more like you are disgruntled over urban culture and the way alot of players act off the court. Kobe is a student of the game, as are players like Garnett, LeBron, Pierce, Nash etc etc, to just paint all players with the same brush is ridiculous imo

On top of that, in your so called glory days, basketball wasnt nearly the world game it is today, basically all the players and coaches were American, its truely globalized now and the level of competition in NCCA, Europe and the NBA are all at much higher levels then anytime in history. Its not really fair to compare era's i guess, because technology and knowledge always makes the next generation faster and stronger. Alot of guys that were All Stars or even legends (think Bill Walton) in their day, would be overmatched by the speed and power of todays athlete imo. Anyways interesting arguement
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basically all the players and coaches were American, its truely globalized now and the level of competition in NCCA, Europe and the NBA are all at much higher levels then anytime in history
sorry man, thats just a false statement, countries like spain, Italy, greece, an the old Soviet Union, have had basketball tradition for mroe than 30 years . Spains second best team in history was in the beginning of the 80s.
I havent said all the players are like that. Steve Nash, Duncan, the garnett of today, Battier, Ray Allen, Calde are all good examples of true players.

And sorry but Kobe is not a student of the game, maybe in the last 2 years he has changed but he has been one of the most individualist players ever. Most of this players only live by their physique potential, if they used their brain a little + their phisical abilities then they would be the best players in history.
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Old 08-01-2008, 09:22 AM   #34 (permalink)
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lol seriously, every1 lulls about the "good ol days" in every sport, but with technology in sports medicine, training and conditioning, its not even close who are the better athletes on every level of the game. Forget, so and so was crafty as hell, he would be blown by, dunked on and laughed at, plain and simple. Go ahead, watch those golden day Celtics, watch the legendary steal and how the guy awkwardly dribbles the ball down the court, watch the weak passes, less showmanship, less athletism. Kobe would have absolutely dominated the game back then, he is faster then any guard you can name from 20 years or beyond, has more hops, is a deadly jump shooter, can obviously beat you off the dribble, is an underrated passer and one of the best 1v1 defenders in the league. You may not like what the guy acts like, or has or hasnt done off the court, but to take that biased and apply it to his game and claim he isnt automatically on the 50 greatest players ever list? Considering he is the best player post Jordan and perhaps pre Lebron (yet to be seen, but that freak is on pace), your basically saying no players from this era could hang with the past.

Kind of funny, alot of people say Jordan is the best ever, but he didnt win til Magic, Larry and Isiah were pretty damn old or gone, does that mean he couldnt hang either?
You're argument works both ways.

So if Wilt Chamberlin had today's technology in sports medicine, training and conditioning does that mean instead of averaging 30 points and 23 rebounds a game he averages 50 points and 40 rebounds a game? Actually, he did average 50 points a game one year.

If the Big O has today's technology in sports medicine, training and conditioning does he average a triple double for his entire career, not just for one season and very close to on several other occasions.


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watch the weak passes, less showmanship, less athletism
Dude, this is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard. Clearly you've never heard of the Houdini of the Hardwood or Earl the Pearl or Pistol Pete. Do yourself a favour and do some research instead of basing your opinions on what you've seen since you started watching basketball.

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acie, we're using time machines to compare.....


could you imagine the league playing in chuck taylors now-a-days. half of the players would be injured or afraid to jump.
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Shaq is gay?
Ugh ... I'd hate to be on the receiving end of ...... forget it.
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yes!
lets have another wilt chamberlaine debate shall we!

wilt chamberlaine in the year 2008 would not be putting up 50/23 a night... c'mon, you know this.
he'd be putting up 25/14 at most... and thats being generous.
Wilt dominated because he was a physical beast in that era... they couldnt stop him because he was the one and only 7 footer with athleticism.
by the time bigger, more athletic players started playing against him, his numbers became "normal".

his numbers were inflated because back in the those times they had 2 plays at most... and one of those plays was "pass the ball to Wilt".
he'd sit in the paint and catch the ball over his 6'8 opponents and just drop the ball in the net.
there was no "3 in the key" rule back then.
put him in today's game and he probably fouls out of every game or commits 8 turnovers a game.

and saying the 60's and 70's were more talented? thats a joke.
you can name off your Pistol Pete's, and Cousy's, and your....ummmm... who else?
thats like 2 players out of thousands during those era's.

sure, the type of basketball back then was better, and the players were smarter.
but the overall skill couldnt compare to todays game.
you throw any 1960 shmuck into today's NBA and he's eaten alive... meanwhile you throw any 2008 average joe into the league 40 years ago and he's a superstar.
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acie, we're using time machines to compare.....


could you imagine the league playing in chuck taylors now-a-days. half of the players would be injured or afraid to jump.
Could you imagine the players of today with no three point line to camp out behind, no luxury private chartered team planes, no five star hotels to stay in on the road, having to work a regular 9 to 5 in the off season to supplement their income...whatever would they do?
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and saying the 60's and 70's were more talented? thats a joke.
you can name off your Pistol Pete's, and Cousy's, and your....ummmm... who else?
thats like 2 players out of thousands during those era's.
After reading this I guess there is really nothing left to say...
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After reading this I guess there is really nothing left to say...
there's a lot to say, just the list of nice things expired
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