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jeffb 12-08-2011 04:07 PM

Knicks might look to move Amare, are leading the charge for Chandler
 
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With the Knicks close to acquiring Tyson Chandler, they may begin exploring trade scenarios for Chris Paul involving Amar'e Stoudemire.

Paul is widely believed to prefer a deal that ends up with him going to the Knicks.
Read more: Knicks May Begin Exploring Amare Trade Scenarios For Paul - RealGM Wiretap

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The Knicks have jumped ahead of the Warriors in pursuing Tyson Chandler, according to sources.

If New York reaches an agreement with Chandler, they will amnesty Chauncey Billups and then attempt to trade Ronny Turiaf.

Chandler could receive a four-year deal from the Knicks at $14 million annually.

"New York is Tyson's first choice," a source told ESPN's Marc Stein. "It's 98 percent sure that Tyson is going to wind up with the Knicks."

The Knicks may work out a sign-and-trade with the Mavericks where Billups is involved, according to Newsday's Alan Hahn.

Read more: Knicks Lead Pursuit Of Tyson Chandler - RealGM Wiretap


If all this happened and they sign Grant Hill:

Paul
Hill
Melo
Balkman?
Chandler

powerfulpanda 12-08-2011 04:19 PM

HAHAHAHA. this would be so funny if this happened.

this is what i'm talking about. its a business people! quit holding grudges and using the "loyal" card against players that are free to sign wherever they want as free agents! look how "loyal" these teams are.....as we see examples of rondo and amare now.

Metallikid 12-08-2011 04:20 PM

This has really gotten ridiculous. If they amnesty Chauncey, what the fuck was the point of selling the farm for him + 'Melo when they would have gotten him in free agency anyways? And Tyson Chandler being anywhere near Amar'e in talent level is horseshit. If the Knicks acquire Paul at the expense of Stoudemire and Billups, I really don't see their win column getting any higher. :cookie:

jeffb 12-08-2011 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Metallikid (Post 584706)
This has really gotten ridiculous. If they amnesty Chauncey, what the fuck was the point of selling the farm for him + 'Melo when they would have gotten him in free agency anyways? And Tyson Chandler being anywhere near Amar'e in talent level is horseshit. If the Knicks acquire Paul at the expense of Stoudemire and Billups, I really don't see their win column getting any higher. :cookie:

I do. Chris Paul is a top 2-3 PG in this league, Chandler is one of if not the best defensive Center in the league, those two with Melo and Grant hill and they're a 50 win team imo. Not too sure about their bench though. They would at the very least finally have some defense coupled with pretty damn good offense.

powerfulpanda 12-08-2011 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 584712)
I do. Chris Paul is a top 2-3 PG in this league, Chandler is one of if not the best defensive Center in the league, those two with Melo and Grant hill and they're a 50 win team imo. Not too sure about their bench though. They would at the very least finally have some defense coupled with pretty damn good offense.

ya i agree. they also got a 3 point threat in toney douglas stretch the floor and paul's always played with a 3 point shooter and made them look good. there's also landry fields. the only thing is they don't really have a PF

TORaptor4Ever 12-08-2011 04:45 PM

WTF is NYK thinking? :confused2:

I'm sorry but Chandler + Melo + CP3 + Hill =/= contender

That team will be oatmeal when they face CHI, MIA and perhaps even BOS.

And you're going to turn around and exile Amare one year after he helped bring your team back to relevance???

Hoo boy....

Their big mistake was getting rid of all of their assets for Melo.

If they could have swung a deal for CP3 and paired him with Amare and another decent piece THAT would have been a nice core.

powerfulpanda 12-08-2011 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 584721)
WTF is NYK thinking? :confused2:

I'm sorry but Chandler + Melo + CP3 + Hill =/= contender

That team will be oatmeal when they face CHI, MIA and perhaps even BOS.

And you're going to turn around and exile Amare one year after he helped bring your team back to relevance???

Hoo boy....

ya, not quite contenders yet, but if paul can take last years hornets team to 6 games vs the lakers, i'm sure he can take the knicks to the 2nd round at least in the East. they'll have to do more to surround that core and piece together a complete team to contend.

ValanciunasFanboy 12-08-2011 04:49 PM

A bummer for Amare. Maybe they could trade him back to Phoenix in a three way.

Ball Don't Lie 12-08-2011 04:53 PM

If the Knicks amnesty Billups to get Chandler then theyre off their fucking rocker. They handcuff themselves with 3 huge contracts and an inability to get anyone else because they have no other assets. I can see doing this scenario for Paul, but Chandler? Wtf?

ValanciunasFanboy 12-08-2011 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 584721)
WTF is NYK thinking? :confused2:

I'm sorry but Chandler + Melo + CP3 + Hill =/= contender

That team will be oatmeal when they face CHI, MIA and perhaps even BOS.

And you're going to turn around and exile Amare one year after he helped bring your team back to relevance???

Hoo boy....

Their big mistake was getting rid of all of their assets for Melo.

If they could have swung a deal for CP3 and paired him with Amare and another decent piece THAT would have been a nice core.

that team is basically 2008 Hornets MINUS some of Chandler's and CP3 health MINUS defensive attitude MINUS bench PLUS Melo instead of David West.

Yeah, I don't see it. 08 Hornets won 56 games btw, but this team seems worse.

jeffb 12-08-2011 04:55 PM

:police:

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The Knicks are nearing completion on a deal with Tyson Chandler worth $58 million over four seasons.

After their efforts to trade for Chris Paul stalled, sources say the Knicks intensified their efforts to sign Chandler.

In order to sign Chandler, the Knicks will need either amnesty or trade Chauncey Billups.

The Warriors were previously in the market for Chandler, but they are all but out of the running.

Marc Stein reports that the Mavericks are uninterested in taking back Billups in a sign-and-trade for Chandler.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl..._knicks_120811

ValanciunasFanboy 12-08-2011 05:02 PM

lol Mavs should do the sign and trade just so Knicks can give him the 5 years at 80 mil or something.

Ball Don't Lie 12-08-2011 05:07 PM

Chandler and no flexibility for Billups and flexibility. Genius. Isiah is still running the Knicks.

DanH 12-08-2011 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ValanciunasFanboy (Post 584735)
lol Mavs should do the sign and trade just so Knicks can give him the 5 years at 80 mil or something.

Sign and trades no longer allow teams to do that. If he is signed and traded, he will receive the exact same deal length - it would, however, allow the starting salary to be higher, so long as the Knicks can put together enough salary going the other way.

JDMtors 12-08-2011 05:28 PM

Ill rather have a Paul/Melo/Amare combo than Paul/Melo/Chandler imo. Chandler is not capable of even doing what Amare can, and to top it off, chandler gets a ton of point soff his lobs

DanH 12-08-2011 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JDMtors (Post 584750)
Ill rather have a Paul/Melo/Amare combo than Paul/Melo/Chandler imo. Chandler is not capable of even doing what Amare can, and to top it off, chandler gets a ton of point soff his lobs

The sort of lobs that Paul, for example, might throw? Plus, you know, he can play defense.

halphbreedballer 12-08-2011 05:35 PM

I don't think they will move Amare it makes absolutely no sense!

ValanciunasFanboy 12-08-2011 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DanH (Post 584744)
Sign and trades no longer allow teams to do that. If he is signed and traded, he will receive the exact same deal length - it would, however, allow the starting salary to be higher, so long as the Knicks can put together enough salary going the other way.

at least something's right then. How much salary they need to send then? the new 150% rule applies, or is there something different with S&T?

Dark Knight 12-08-2011 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by halphbreedballer (Post 584755)
I don't think they will move Amare it makes absolutely no sense!

If New York acquires Paul, that would mean they've invested almost all of their payroll into 3 guys. It makes perfect sense, especially if they aquire Chandler, to explore their options with Amare. He's a great player, but if they can get a package of players that can balance their team out a little more then the Knicks have to consider it.

Kevin Martin + Luis Scola for Amare anyone? :reporter:

Paul
Martin
Melo
Scola
Chandler

That would be a hell of a team. The salaries match-up too.

ValanciunasFanboy 12-08-2011 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 584795)
If New York acquires Paul, that would mean they've invested almost all of their payroll into 3 guys. It makes perfect sense, especially if they aquire Chandler, to explore their options with Amare. He's a great player, but if they can get a package of players that can balance their team out a little more then the Knicks have to consider it.

Kevin Martin + Luis Scola for Amare anyone? :reporter:

Paul
Martin
Melo
Scola
Chandler

That would be a hell of a team. The salaries match-up too.

They can't do that, the idea is to trade Amare for CP3.


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