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Ex2k 07-10-2008 10:58 AM

Josh Smith Talking to the Clippers?
 
Hrmmm

Josh Smith and Baron Davis?

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Clippers Talking To Josh Smith To Replace Elton Brand
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With Elton Brand now officially a member of the Sixers, the Clippers have turned to Atlanta restricted free agent Josh Smith to replace the void and team up with Baron Davis, the L.A. Times are reporting.

Davis officially became a member of the Clippers on Wednesday when he signed a five year, $65 million pact.

Since Smith is restricted, the Atlanta Hawks have the opportunity to match any offer that the high flyer may sign with a rival team.

The Clippers have also made preliminary contact with Charlotte Bobcats forward Emeka Okafor, who is also a restricted free agent.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...e_elton_brand/

Ex2k 07-10-2008 10:59 AM

Who would you rather have... Josh Smith or Emeka Okafor?

Major 07-10-2008 11:03 AM

Josh Smith hands down. He's only 22 and he's still putting up better numbers than Emeka, who's 25. They've both only played 4 seasons which still gives the edge to Smith.

And Josh would be a lot cheaper to get than Okafor.

INSIDER 07-10-2008 11:19 AM

Smith for sure...
Okafor is too injury prone.

Claudius 07-10-2008 11:50 AM

Lemme just say that I called this yesterday ..... :)

dfunkie1 07-10-2008 11:52 AM

okafor for sure. josh smith ain't that good.

Major 07-10-2008 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TuggleBled (Post 42521)
okafor for sure. josh smith ain't that good.

Are you kidding man? First of all stats don't lie. Go on ESPN.com or whatever and long at season-by-season for both.

And like INSIDER said, Okafor is injury prone. Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't only play like 25 games or so in his sophomore season because of his ankle or something?

dfunkie1 07-10-2008 12:09 PM

i'm not kidding, man. smith's exciting to watch, nice blocks to the stands and high flying dunks from everywhere on the court! easy to get excited about, but he's not a smart player or that skilled with fundamentals. he could probably go work in a circus with his athleticism, but if you're going to hand out a max contract, he's not worth it. players like him, gerald wallace, shaun marion, and kirilenko don't mean that much to me. draft them in a fantasy league, their play is inflated with stats, not production.

MangoKidHoops 07-10-2008 12:19 PM

I';d take Okafor. Josh Smith playing against the PF's of the West? He'd get destroyed.

Major 07-10-2008 12:41 PM

Dirk, Gasol, Duncan and Amare are the only great PF's I can think of in the West.

That shouldn't be that hard to do. And it's not like he's by himself or something. He's got Kaman to at least give him a little boost.

Adequate Swag 07-10-2008 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LyRrAd_Nation (Post 42533)
I';d take Okafor. Josh Smith playing against the PF's of the West? He'd get destroyed.

Smith can play 3, but that would leave Al Thornton at 4. So yeah, this would make them small as hell. Keep in mind the crop of elite PF's in the West is shrinking somewhat though.

Smith is a better player than Okafor though. I'm not sure what you mean when you say Smith's play results in stats but not production Tuggle. Stats across the board are a great indicator of production. How can you not appreciate a guy who contributes to multiple different aspects of the game?

Points + Rebounds + Blocks + High FG% don't equal production from the power forward spot? I'd say you could argue the exact opposite, that Smith's production is greater than those who excel at only one aspect of the game.

dfunkie1 07-10-2008 01:08 PM

i hate these discussions. my opinion, your stats.

smith doesn't play disciplined basketball. he goes for blocks leaving his assignment all the time, with that he normally doesn't keep the ball in play. he doesn't box-out, he rebounds by using his athleticism. he's not a good shooter, great on the fast break. stats look great, though.

MangoKidHoops 07-10-2008 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Major (Post 42536)
Dirk, Gasol, Duncan and Amare are the only great PF's I can think of in the West.

That shouldn't be that hard to do. And it's not like he's by himself or something. He's got Kaman to at least give him a little boost.

Dirk, Gasol, Duncan, Amare, David West, Al Jefferson, Carlos Boozer.. that's a lot of dudes. He'd be giving up a lot of weight.

Don't get me wrong, Smith is a very good player, but his skillset is better suited for the Eastern Conference right about now.

Claudius 07-10-2008 01:43 PM

Smith is a nice nice player. But as a basketball player does nothing for me. As funkie has said, he relies on his athleticism TOO much.

There's a risk there, because he's now got accustomed to only using his athletic skills to play basketball. What happens when he turns 26? A 26 year old body can't do the same things a 22 yr. old can....or let's go older, how about 29-30? The problem with Josh Smith is that yes, he does get stats now, but he really doesn't understand the fundamentals of the game and how to execute them. And that's the difference between championships (San Antonio) and has beens.

Gurk 07-10-2008 01:51 PM

smith would be good but that would mean that thorton will get less minutes and wont develop much

INSIDER 07-10-2008 01:52 PM

The reason i take Smith over Okafor is not just about stats (although stats dont lie Funk), is for the mere fact that:
Smith is getting better and better each year.
Okafor seems to be platueing, and while he'll consistantly give you a 14/10 season, Smith on the other hand will be giving you 20+/9+ now and maybe even more later down the line... to go along with his 3 blocks per game.
this ties into his IQ, while not as high as Okafor's, Smith's is definitely getting better and he will learn and adapt over the course of his career, and get smarter.

Smith is young and athletic... he's very healthy, hasnt had any big injuries and doesnt seem to be an injury threat.
Okafor on the other hand isnt as robust and has missed alot of games over his career.
he isnt as athletic and looks like he may get run down sooner rather than later.

every player is after a long term deal (5 years or more)... i'd feel alot better giving a lengthy contract to smith as opposed to okafor.
in the long run, smith is the smarter choice, IMO.

Gurk 07-10-2008 01:59 PM

nice thread i agree with you

Adequate Swag 07-10-2008 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TuggleBled (Post 42547)
i hate these discussions. my opinion, your stats.

smith doesn't play disciplined basketball. he goes for blocks leaving his assignment all the time, with that he normally doesn't keep the ball in play. he doesn't box-out, he rebounds by using his athleticism. he's not a good shooter, great on the fast break. stats look great, though.

Very valid. I don't see why you hate these discussions. What you just said is hardly an opinion, you're absolutely right.

At the same time, the guy is what, 22? You're talking about things that can be improved on with proper coaching and hard work.

Sure, his athleticism will decrease, but I think you're both being a little unfair to the guy to suggest he won't look to improve other areas of his game. What happened when Amare Stoudemire's athleticism was compromised? He developed a game that was equally as dominant without relying so much on athleticism.

He's improving every year, statistically, skill wise and mentally. Sure, he's not all the way there yet, but did you watch the guy as a rookie? To suggest he hasn't made great strides every year is, again, being unfair to him.

And as for not being able to rely on athleticism at age 30? (which, by the way, is 8 freakin years away, and has little bearing on the contract he's about to sign)

Jamario Moon begs to differ :haha:

Claudius 07-10-2008 02:02 PM

See I think Okafor is a better defensive player than Smith ever has been. Okafor does a hell of a job against big men, day in and day out.

Smith has the advantage that he's one of the most athletic guys on the court and has made the weak side block a thing of beauty, is that even though the weak side block looks nice, more often than naught, a good player will see it coming and dish to the man the defender has left. And even though, you will be blocked in one game, you probably scored an additional 10 points up to that point. This is where Smith, if he learned how to box out, how to position his feet, could be deadly but if he hasn't done these things, which were taught in HIGH SCHOOL, then why should they be taught again in the NBA? He refuses to listen to it, so be it.

Secondly, stats do lie. Example would be Stackhouse in 2000 I beleive when he led the league in scoring even though he averaged I believe below 40% on his FG%. He was barely an all-star.

Gurk 07-10-2008 02:03 PM

jamario moon all the way
:guitar:


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