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Old 04-29-2011, 11:55 AM   #61 (permalink)
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These opinions are misinformed, Anthony is taking minutes from guys like Z and Howard who have played in big games in the playoffs. He isn't an only option, how many times have the Heat gone to a Lebron at PF and Bosh at C lineup? Quite a bit. How can a guy getting clutch minutes on a 50+ win team be a scrub on every other team in the league, that makes no sense. He's had some big impact games this year like the one that prompted Torap to start this thread.

Joel does two things very well, he defends and he get's offensive rebounds. He serves a purpose on both ends of the floor.

Role players by definition are expected to be somewhat one-dimensional. They play a role. Do one or two things really well.
nice post, i agree

but....does that mean Bargnani is a scrub? lol
he's one dimensional and plays a role (score), but he doesn't do anything particularly well
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nice post, i agree

but....does that mean Bargnani is a scrub? lol
he's one dimensional and plays a role (score), but he doesn't do anything particularly well
good call...
bargs scores, and has awful defense.

Anthony has good D, but my grandmother could score more points than him on the offensive end of the floor.

its funny how the same people that hate Bargs, like Anthony.... and vice versa.
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Old 04-29-2011, 01:32 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Bargnani would be much more likeable as a shooter coming off the bench.
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I guess I hate Bargnani. I've never come close to calling him a scrub. At the same time he's never been a particularly successful role player either, outside of his rookie season. And as a big, it's not that hard to fathom preferring a solid defender over a guy that proves to be an inconsistent scorer - is it? Not to mention how one guy makes the most of his limited attributes by playing hard all the time, while the other makes very little of greater size and skills by only occasionally playing hard. One guy provides intangibles and the other one negates the intangibles provided by others.

And note - Joel plays a role on both ends of the floor. He has won games for the Heat with timely offensive rebounds.

The comparison provides some clarity. Neither is a scrub, but one is able to be well-integrated in schemes that bring about wins, and the other seems to always need others to help allow him to be properly integrated. In the end if Bargnani could handle taking Anthony's minutes, it could be a wash anyways. But instead the glaring differences get magnified.
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Old 04-29-2011, 03:50 PM   #65 (permalink)
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good call...
bargs scores, and has awful defense.

Anthony has good D, but my grandmother could score more points than him on the offensive end of the floor.

its funny how the same people that hate Bargs, like Anthony.... and vice versa.
It's easy to see why that is.... EFFORT.

Anthony (like Reggie) gives it his all every single game he plays for every single minute that he's on the floor. There's no question as to whether he cares about winning or losing because he SHOWS you that he does when he plays.

Bargs doesn't (or rarely does).

Anthony is also making about $3.3M this year which is a bargain and a half considering the position that he plays and the impact that he has on the floor. Compare his salary to a guy like Perkins who essentially fills the same role for OKC.

Bargs could still fill a role for quite a few teams in the league (he would have been gold in ORL along with D12... or in NOH with CP3) but for OUR team? He sucks.
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If we ever got rid of Bargs, who is going to be scoring besides Demar. Especially if we trade Bargs for a defense minded centre.
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If we ever got rid of Bargs, who is going to be scoring besides Demar. Especially if we trade Bargs for a defense minded centre.
i rather lose 75-70 in a hard faught game than lose 125-120 in a half ass effort
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i rather lose 75-70 in a hard faught game than lose 125-120 in a half ass effort
This. ^^

Team didn't struggle that much to score when Bargs was sitting near the end of the season.... DD, Bayless, Kleiza & Barbosa (if they're still here) + our rookie? Scoring should be fine IMO.
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so if we think he's not that good we're hater's because he's from Canada?
Give me one raptor that is better than him on defence?
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Give me one raptor that is better than him on defence?
James Johnson.
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Give me one raptor that is better than him on defence?
It difficult to compare an entire team to a single player. Joel is going to box out and push people off the block and contest shots. If he had to keep one foot in the key to cover Andrea's man, he isn't going to be as effective. Defense is team goal. That being said I think Reggie put in the same position as Joel is going to come up with better numbers. Joel doesn't have that aspect to his game were he is irritant. He is just a solid defensive center.

JJ May also be better defensively, but it's hard to make that jump from 5 to 3 in comparisons.
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I would say Davis could already be better than him defensively.
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i rather lose 75-70 in a hard faught game than lose 125-120 in a half ass effort
im pretty sure 125-120 wouldnt consitute a bad effort, just bad defense on both sides. atleast we kept it close.....maybe use a 20-30 deficit as an example next time
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Defence is much harder to find than offence.

Nowadays its hard to find a player that don't care how many points they score. Look at a guy like Joel Anthony, he doesn't give a damn if he has 10 points or 0 points. If he played his ass off and got his team the win, it's good enough for them. Look at someone like Bargnani, he's ecstatic when he gets a new career high.
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Bad defense on both sides is terrible basketball that requires no effort to keep things close.
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Bad defense on both sides is terrible basketball that requires no effort to keep things close.
to say NO effort is a bit of an overstatement dont u think......so apparently offense is effortless, its so easy to just shoot and score a basket against a defender on a consistent basis to reach 120 points...
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to say NO effort is a bit of an overstatement dont u think......so apparently offense is effortless, its so easy to just shoot and score a basket against a defender on a consistent basis to reach 120 points...
Did you watch any Raptors games this season? There were plenty where no effort was required to get 125. If you want to call shootaround and a layup line as something requiring effort, than be my guest. You're easily impressed. Congratulations. Scoring against a defender does take effort. We can agree on that. You were making some point about scoring against bad defense. If you can't see that it takes little effort for any guy with shooting abilities to make open shots then I can see why you would dismiss players that actually make it difficult to score. And I would question your appreciation of the game.
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Did you watch any Raptors games this season? There were plenty where no effort was required to get 125. If you want to call shootaround and a layup line as something requiring effort, than be my guest. You're easily impressed. Congratulations. Scoring against a defender does take effort. We can agree on that. You were making some point about scoring against bad defense. If you can't see that it takes little effort for any guy with shooting abilities to make open shots then I can see why you would dismiss players that actually make it difficult to score. And I would question your appreciation of the game.
little effort? Come on. You seriously believe that?
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little effort? Come on. You seriously believe that?
I saw it. There were nights when players took shots as if in shootaround, and got to the rim with ease. Are you going to say effort was required for that? Are you saying Jack is full of shit when he says "that was too easy"? And there were nights when the Raptors could do much of the same. It's called bad basketball. And you won't see any teams worth anything getting anywhere that way.

I can't believe you question my intentions on this. Are you just in a mood to be contentious? How hard can it be to fathom that scoring on teams that take whole nights off on the defensive end does not take much effort? And how sad is your opinion of NBA talent if you think it requires effort for them to score on uncontested shots and unimpeded drives?
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im pretty sure 125-120 wouldnt consitute a bad effort, just bad defense on both sides. atleast we kept it close.....maybe use a 20-30 deficit as an example next time
actually yes it would because defense involves more effort and offense is more talent (EX: bargnani)

a 20-30 loss is just all around bad and no effort
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