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Old 10-28-2012, 09:11 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:11 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Our package wouldn't have been as good as Houston's, as others have already stated. The future picks give OKC the flexibility to do their own drafting a pick players that fit their rotation needs going forward. They've got PJ3 and Collison, so they don't need Davis. And I don't think DD is a good fit in OKC.

Calderon is the only advantage I see in the hypothetical package from Toronto. Jose's defense ain't great, but he is a great backup. He can create for himself and others against second units. Unlike Martin, he would be able to fill Harden's playmaker role.

Start the K-Mart for Calderon rumours....
Harden is a restricted FA is he not?
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Old 10-28-2012, 10:36 PM   #123 (permalink)
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Man, media is painting this as a runaway for the Rockets(and the rest of the West).

Some are even going as far as putting OKC behind the Spurs and the Clippers.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:43 PM   #124 (permalink)
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Harden is a restricted FA is he not?
What's your point? How is that related to what you quoted?
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:46 PM   #125 (permalink)
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I like it how every time another team makes a trade, Raptors fans rip the shot outta Raqptor Management for not having made the same trade.

It's priceless.
I only see one person here (halph) questioning why the Raptors didn't get involved. Our site has been pretty good about this one. There were a handful at RealGm.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:12 AM   #126 (permalink)
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Jonathan Feigen: Rockets expected to officially waive Gary Forbes, Jon Brockman and JaJuan Johnson on Monday, source said. Still must make 2 more cuts. Twitter @Jonathan_Feigen
too bad we don't have space to bring gary back. i thought he was pretty good and deserving of more time vs those that got minutes over him. he's a good scorer, ballhandler, has decent size, can create his own shot and create for others—more than derozen and ross can.

wonder who else they'll cut?
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:26 AM   #127 (permalink)
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Nice package for the Thunder, but I think this hurts their title chances based on the tangible pieces they received, in the short term at least. Kevin Martin is much more one dimensional than Harden at this point in his career and Lamb is merely a rook. Harden's transition and pick and roll game, and his ability to take over games - against opposing benches AND starting units - will not go unnoticed, IMO.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:48 AM   #128 (permalink)
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Nice package for the Thunder, but I think this hurts their title chances based on the tangible pieces they received, in the short term at least. Kevin Martin is much more one dimensional than Harden at this point in his career and Lamb is merely a rook. Harden's transition and pick and roll game, and his ability to take over games - against opposing benches AND starting units - will not go unnoticed, IMO.

No doubt. It was a trade for the future and keeping pieces around KD/RW. They could have kept Harden and made one more run at it or trade him while his value is high and get pieces to build around the big 2 for the next 5-6years.

Tough decision to make. This "weaken" their team this year but they're still very good. In 3 years it SHOULD benefit them in the long run. As a fan, do you go ALL IN this year or try to keep pieces for years to come.

Their GM has balls though. This trade, a few days before the season starts? He better hope Lamb, and the first rounders in the future produce BIG for them in the future.
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Old 10-29-2012, 05:12 AM   #129 (permalink)
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What's your point? How is that related to what you quoted?
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No OKC was looking for young talent and 1st rounders. We pretty much do not have any 1st roudner available which means that DD, Ross and ED would need to be traded just to get Harden which is a bit too much imo. DD + Ross + Ed > Harden from all the different htings they bring to the table. And it would be stupid for us because we're technically trading away majority of our young players and core players for just 1 player who wants a max. And he may walk after the 1 season because he might not like it in Toronto.

Houston, had like 3 1st rounders this year and you knew something was bound to happen with their 20 something players they had. And looked what it natched them. As I mentioned Lamb fell off BCs radar during the draft, and he has a knack for spotting talent. From what I rmb reading it was his work ethic and that he was a pot head or something like that, that turned him away from Raptors drafting him.

In the end of Lamb lives to expectations its a win win situation for OKC
Harden is a restricted FA is he not?
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:21 AM   #130 (permalink)
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I really wonder how much of this trade is OKC being serious about trying to have a better team 3-4 years from now or if they take these first rounders and try to package them to a team like, let's say, the Hawks in a sign-and-trade for Josh Smith. At least JMoove deserves the max.
In what world does Josh Smith deserve the max?
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:24 AM   #131 (permalink)
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I don't blame Harden for wanting the max. He knows he'll get it from someone and will probably have teams lining up to give it to him. At the same time, if you're happy where you are and you are on a championship contender do you take a bit less to try and win a ring and play with the best young team in the NBA? I would take 2mil less per to try and win a ring. Hell he'd still be making an amazing amount of money.
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Old 10-29-2012, 11:54 AM   #132 (permalink)
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LOL sorry I quoted the wrong Avi
No problem. Your comment makes sense now that it's in response to the person who mentioned Harden walking.
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:52 PM   #133 (permalink)
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Morey finally turned assets into something. Now, was it worth it and the max contract they'll pay for it?
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:18 PM   #134 (permalink)
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Fuck this league! Teams like Maimi and LA can buy their superstar teams and teams that make them from the ground up can't even afford to keep them.
dude, that's OKC's problem - they could have kept it, but they were too cheap about it. First, they make a ton of money with the deep playoff rund. Second, if they can't support a winning luxury team, they shouldn't be in the league.

At least 25 teams would have paid Harden, it's not a league issue - it's their problem. Or maybe they though harden is overpaid at max, I wouldn't argue with that point.
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:29 PM   #135 (permalink)
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I dont think theres any question this downgrades OKC from title contenders to a 2nd rd/conference finals at best type of team. I like Martin, but hes fragile and as many have mentioned, plays no defence. It'll be interesting to see how he meshes not only with the 2nd unit when he comes in and is relied upon for a lot of the scoring, but also with KD/Westbrook as a spot up guy. His percentages should go up, but who knows if he can change his style to become more of a spot up guy.
I think they're better off against miami because they can go small with ibaka at 5 and durant at 4 and have marting defend chalmers and russel on wade. Martin is better than harder when playing alongside durant/rw imo. Durability is an issue, but as long as he's healthy in the playoffs, it won't matter that much. Against he lakers, they have to go big anyway and martin will be harder to hide.

as for the picks, they're all fairly low value, our own pick will probably end up in the 12-14 range in a very weak draft, they'll be lucky to get even a rotation player there.

For houston, it's a defensible deal, they had to do something with all their young players. But frankly, they're building the future around lin/harden/asik, that's not going to work imo. All 3 are unproven in their new roles and even if they thrive, defensively they'll be in tough spot with a small backcourt and asik alone can't overcome that. And their cap space may or may not be usable next summer, if they win 28-30 games, not sure if a big time FA will consider them.
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:35 PM   #136 (permalink)
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OKC wasn't too cheap - giving the max would have hurt that team long term and they have a lot of other good players that they would like to keep. I'm sure it's been mentioned that OKC was missing an important player last year and that's Maynor. Personally I think OKC was waiting to see how he played in the preseason before pulling the trigger on a trade with Harden. IF Maynor couldn't play the same then give Harden his extension, IF he can, then trade him for assets. I'm not saying Maynor is the end all be all but his playmaking on the second unit will soften the loss of Harden.

In the end, I thought OKC came away like bandits, not only did they avoid paying the max to guy that is on the same tier as Bosh imo (will get the max though not on the same level as max level players) and get a scorer in Martin and lottery picks.
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:42 PM   #137 (permalink)
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I think they're better off against miami because they can go small with ibaka at 5 and durant at 4 and have marting defend chalmers and russel on wade. Martin is better than harder when playing alongside durant/rw imo. Durability is an issue, but as long as he's healthy in the playoffs, it won't matter that much. Against he lakers, they have to go big anyway and martin will be harder to hide.

as for the picks, they're all fairly low value, our own pick will probably end up in the 12-14 range in a very weak draft, they'll be lucky to get even a rotation player there.

For houston, it's a defensible deal, they had to do something with all their young players. But frankly, they're building the future around lin/harden/asik, that's not going to work imo. All 3 are unproven in their new roles and even if they thrive, defensively they'll be in tough spot with a small backcourt and asik alone can't overcome that. And their cap space may or may not be usable next summer, if they win 28-30 games, not sure if a big time FA will consider them.
Since they have never played together how did you get that? Without Harden, OKC doesn't get to the finals. His defense and ability to make plays from nothing will be missed - I hope Martin can stay healthy and play well with Maynor.

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Old 10-29-2012, 02:44 PM   #138 (permalink)
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Personally, I don't think OKC will get past the Spurs if they meet in the playoffs - I'm really really really hoping there is a rematch. I like OKC and I think they've done great getting Martin / picks but though I agree that the deal makes sense moving forward as a franchise I personally think they've stepped away from being a contender and will struggle against the Lakers or Spurs.

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Old 10-29-2012, 04:08 PM   #139 (permalink)
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Personally, I don't think OKC will get past the Spurs if they meet in the playoffs - I'm really really really hoping there is a rematch. I like OKC and I think they've done great getting Martin / picks but though I agree that the deal makes sense moving forward as a franchise I personally think they've stepped away from being a contender and will struggle against the Lakers or Spurs.
imo OKC edges out SAS and i still think either can take LAL. It's very close in the west.
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Old 10-29-2012, 04:32 PM   #140 (permalink)
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I don't get the love for the Spurs. I love Tim Duncan, but he and Ginobilli aren't getting any younger. Both had down years last season. I think you'll see San Antonio disappoint a lot of people.
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