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Old 10-28-2012, 04:29 PM   #101 (permalink)
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We would have needed at least two first rounders, and we can't even offer one.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:30 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Jose is an anti-asset. XD
And dd would not have put them in a much better spot contract-wise. They don't have much use for Ed. We really had zilch to offer them.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:30 PM   #103 (permalink)
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So, the new CBA works. Redistribution of talent due to harsh tax system. Unfortunately, it impacts the small market teams first. Given time, every team will act the way OKC did here, and the Heat will be a thing of the past. Eventually even the Lakers will fall in line. It will be a tough few years for the small markets though.
what makes you think lakers will fall in line mate?
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:32 PM   #104 (permalink)
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I don't understand why we didn't make a play for him?
We have the same kind of assets.

We could have sent them Jose, DeRozan & Ed
No OKC was looking for young talent and 1st rounders. We pretty much do not have any 1st roudner available which means that DD, Ross and ED would need to be traded just to get Harden which is a bit too much imo. DD + Ross + Ed > Harden from all the different htings they bring to the table. And it would be stupid for us because we're technically trading away majority of our young players and core players for just 1 player who wants a max. And he may walk after the 1 season because he might not like it in Toronto.

Houston, had like 3 1st rounders this year and you knew something was bound to happen with their 20 something players they had. And looked what it natched them. As I mentioned Lamb fell off BCs radar during the draft, and he has a knack for spotting talent. From what I rmb reading it was his work ethic and that he was a pot head or something like that, that turned him away from Raptors drafting him.

In the end of Lamb lives to expectations its a win win situation for OKC
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:01 PM   #105 (permalink)
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Our package wouldn't have been as good as Houston's, as others have already stated. The future picks give OKC the flexibility to do their own drafting a pick players that fit their rotation needs going forward. They've got PJ3 and Collison, so they don't need Davis. And I don't think DD is a good fit in OKC.

Calderon is the only advantage I see in the hypothetical package from Toronto. Jose's defense ain't great, but he is a great backup. He can create for himself and others against second units. Unlike Martin, he would be able to fill Harden's playmaker role.

Start the K-Mart for Calderon rumours....
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:26 PM   #106 (permalink)
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And I think the 3 picks going OKC's way are the kicker here. Our pick will be a 10th-20th overall, MAvs pick is top 20 protected I think, but still a good shot at getting a 20-23 overall pick. If they have their own, thats a 27-30th overall. Not to mention the Bobcats pick is basically a first rounder.

That's three or four guys that they can add to their bench next season(or use in a trade before the draft) to improve their team.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:31 PM   #107 (permalink)
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Start the K-Mart for Calderon rumours....
only if we get our pick back!
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:46 PM   #108 (permalink)
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only if we get our pick back!


I'm sure Presti is familiar with our franchise's history, our bad luck, and our inability to keep players. With that in mind, you don't trade that pick unless you get something really sweet. The pick could turn out to be nothing more than a 10th-14th pick in 2013 or 2014. However, it's also possible the Raps make the playoffs over the next two years behind the great play of Lowry and a healthy Bargnani. Then, two years from now, Lowry is a free agent and bolts to a bigger market. One of Val or Bargnani goes down with injury and the Raps slip back and land in the top 5 of the lottery, with the pick going to Presti as he does a Dr. Evil impression.
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Old 10-28-2012, 06:41 PM   #109 (permalink)
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okc was the big winner in this trade, even though they lost the best player they've proven they cant draft well

considering the have to max deals with durant and westbrook, plus they have ibaka signed to big money there isn't much room to fill the bench with good players

now trading harden they can do both with salary and draft tools to round there team out
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Old 10-28-2012, 06:48 PM   #110 (permalink)
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:03 PM   #111 (permalink)
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I really wonder how much of this trade is OKC being serious about trying to have a better team 3-4 years from now or if they take these first rounders and try to package them to a team like, let's say, the Hawks in a sign-and-trade for Josh Smith. At least JMoove deserves the max.
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:25 PM   #112 (permalink)
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Harden was the glue between Westbrook and Durant. He was also the biggest fan favourite in OKC.
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:40 PM   #113 (permalink)
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what makes you think lakers will fall in line mate?
When they are facing 100 million in taxes, even that ridiculous team will blink.
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:43 PM   #114 (permalink)
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Harden was the glue between Westbrook and Durant. He was also the biggest fan favourite in OKC.
I wouldn't say he was a glue guy - he was more like a make-up type of of guy.

He made up for poor play by the starting unit by coming in guns-a-blazing and hitting shots. Harden is a great scorer who was in a great situation but not a max deal type of guy. There are a lot of great scorers in the league who can fill his shoes.

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Old 10-28-2012, 07:58 PM   #115 (permalink)
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When they are facing 100 million in taxes, even that ridiculous team will blink.
you don't think they could negotiate another 100mill on their tv deal? or maybe split the difference with the tv companies!? can't remember how much their last tv deal was, wasn't it like 200mill a year or something?

i hope you're right man, would love to see them squeezed, even just a little bit. They'll still be in by far the strongest position though, able to go a fair bit over.
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:05 PM   #116 (permalink)
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:08 PM   #117 (permalink)
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Harden was the glue between Westbrook and Durant. He was also the biggest fan favourite in OKC.
from what i red in OKC fans forum, Harden was not that much liked as you think. mostly because of his tragic attitude to job and great attitude to parties
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I like it how every time another team makes a trade, Raptors fans rip the shot outta Raqptor Management for not having made the same trade.

It's priceless.
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:10 PM   #120 (permalink)
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I like it how every time another team makes a trade, Raptors fans rip the shot outta Raqptor Management for not having made the same trade.

It's priceless.
No different than any other fanbase. I just saw on a Knicks board that the Knicks should have offered Shumpert and Amare for Harden. They're pissed they couldn't get him. lol
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