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Old 10-28-2012, 01:59 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Thabo doesn't replace Harden, but he allows some wiggle room. He is a shutdown guy, and that let them bring Martin in and not worry about his so so defence.

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Along with bench guys like Martin, Maynor, Collision, Jackson, PJ III, Lamb and Thabeet are a championship caliber team. These people saying that Lakers or Heat will win now are just crazy. Nothing is for sure.
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Old 10-28-2012, 01:59 PM   #82 (permalink)
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if he maintains his position with the team, i don't understand how it makes it easier to swallow. i understand that i'm probably being nit picky, but i'm bored.

the addition of martin's offensive capabilities and the prospects of lamb's well rounded game is what i see it making it easier to swallow. also, not having harden makes thabo's minutes probably less contribute-able since he'll be more of an offensive liability when he's not on the floor with westbrooke and durant.
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if he maintains his position with the team, i don't understand how it makes it easier to swallow. i understand that i'm probably being nit picky, but i'm bored.

the addition of martin's offensive capabilities and the prospects of lamb's well rounded game is what i see it making it easier to swallow. also, not having harden makes thabo's minutes probably less contribute-able since he'll be more of an offensive liability when he's not on the floor with westbrooke and durant.
my guess would be sefalosha won't be on the floor when westbrook and durant aren't. more like westbrook and/or durant will have some mins with the 2nd unit when sefalosha isn't on.
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Old 10-28-2012, 02:23 PM   #84 (permalink)
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you do that and you're going to limiting martin from playing off of those two, which could be deadly.
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you do that and you're going to limiting martin from playing off of those two, which could be deadly.
the worst line-up i can see OKC putting out there would be maynor/lamb/jones/collison/thabeet, for very limited mins. And that's not a terrible line-up. I think OKC will be fine.

if martin plays big mins and hurts OKC defensively, (which it's debateable how badly that will be,) it could come to a shoot-out and i don't think OKC would come too badly out of that.
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Old 10-28-2012, 02:44 PM   #86 (permalink)
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I dont think theres any question this downgrades OKC from title contenders to a 2nd rd/conference finals at best type of team. I like Martin, but hes fragile and as many have mentioned, plays no defence. It'll be interesting to see how he meshes not only with the 2nd unit when he comes in and is relied upon for a lot of the scoring, but also with KD/Westbrook as a spot up guy. His percentages should go up, but who knows if he can change his style to become more of a spot up guy.

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Completely disagree with this. Where is he going to get minutes? Thabo starts, Martin gets 28 mpg off the bench, and PJ3/Collison get all of the frontcourt minutes. Lamb is not going to play a lot this year unless Martin gets injured I think.
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So, the new CBA works. Redistribution of talent due to harsh tax system. Unfortunately, it impacts the small market teams first. Given time, every team will act the way OKC did here, and the Heat will be a thing of the past. Eventually even the Lakers will fall in line. It will be a tough few years for the small markets though.
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Old 10-28-2012, 03:42 PM   #88 (permalink)
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Is Lin/Harden really that formidable of a backcourt? Do people think Harden is a 25PPG guy that can lead a franchise? He scored 17 PPG in 31 minutes last year. His playing time isn't going to increase by a ton.
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Old 10-28-2012, 03:48 PM   #89 (permalink)
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This trade makes much more sense from OKC's point of view than Celtics trading Perkins.
OKC gave up x-factor and some garbage, but got back good players and picks.
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btw, Houston are gonna suck!
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Old 10-28-2012, 03:56 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Pray and hope we fall just short of the playoffs and OKC gets the pick...BC gets fired, new gm says "fuck this", trades away Lowry DD and Bargs for expirings and picks and we tank for Wiggins the messiah
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Houston got better, but will still miss playoffs by a good chunk. Harden's not good enough by himself.

OKC got worse. Don't like Martin. Could be a good long term move depending on how those picks and prospects work out.

Still surprised they didn't just pony up to keep him. Another 1.5-2 million per year would have done it.
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Completely disagree with this. Where is he going to get minutes? Thabo starts, Martin gets 28 mpg off the bench, and PJ3/Collison get all of the frontcourt minutes. Lamb is not going to play a lot this year unless Martin gets injured I think.
I guess I pictured Sefolosha, Martin, and Lamb sharing minutes. I have high hopes for Lamb, so I hoped OKC would groom him into being a key piece of the team.
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I think losing Harden is huge for the short term. Martin can score, but that's about it. He doesn't rebound as well as Harden, he's not as efficient as Harden, doesn't get to the rim like Harden, and he doesn't finish at the rim like Harden. But most importantly, he can't create for others like Harden could and remember, OKC was already an isolation-heavy team. Now they lost their best playmaker from last season. Not to mention, Martin is often injured and doesn't necessarily play his best with ball dominant players surrounding him, although that could change. I don't like this trade for them in the short term and I'm way less worried about OKC beating the Lakers now.
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This is a good deal for OKC, if Lamb lives up to his expectations. I havent seen much of him this preseason yet, and there was a reason as to why BC dropped him out of our radar after gaging some interests in him during the draft. As of right now I dont think this makes OKC over the top, just because Lamb played well in College doesnt mean that he will play well in the NBA, and they cant put that much trust into him. As of right now the main pieces were just Harden for Martin. Martin most likely seems to be the 6th man, but I dont think he is a huge upgrade over Harden other than he is a much better shooter.

They have 2 rookies in Lamb and Jones III who would be playing some big roles
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I don't understand why we didn't make a play for him?
We have the same kind of assets.

We could have sent them Jose, DeRozan & Ed

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I don't understand why we didn't make a play for him?
We have the same kind of assets.
Nope. Houston has been looking to making a deal like this for a while. Their team has been a collection of assets. It would've taken Ross, DD, Jose, ED and probably another future first to get the deal done.
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We would have needed at least two first rounders, and we can't even offer one.
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First post, but I think this is a wonderful trade for the Rockets. They are getting a sure-thing SG who is young and can perhaps grow into an all-star talent for them. I don't think Harden is a franchise-changing talent, but he is really good and probably worth the max in this current NBA system.

Kevin Martin is half-decent but really soft and doesn't have a great attitude. I remember him getting a lot of hate over at ClutchCity from Rockets fans for laughing on the bench during bad losses. Harden is a huge upgrade over him.

I'm really worried now that Lamb WILL be a star. Why? Because every young player OKC seems to pick or go after turns into absolute gold. That said, Harden is a sure thing and Lamb definitely isn't. OKC did the right thing basically telling Harden to stick it after not taking their offer. I like that ballsiness!

Good trade overall by both, but I'd give the edge to Houston considering they got undeniably the best player.
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I don't understand why we didn't make a play for him?
We have the same kind of assets.

We could have sent them Jose, DeRozan & Ed
Jose is an anti-asset. XD
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