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Old 10-28-2012, 10:55 AM   #61 (permalink)
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i guess i just wonder how Harden had the balls to ask for a max deal when a) You know OKC would be living beyond their means to make it happen and b) you throw up a HUGE stinker in the playoffs. There isn't even any proof that Harden can hold his own against top-line shooting guards, particularly without Westbrook and Durant on the floor.

i think harden will crash and burn as option 1 on the rockets, and then he and Lin will form the most overpaid backcourt in the history of western civilization. OKC makes out like bandits in this, they'll have a ton of flexibility when Martin expires and they eventually amnesty perkins, in addition to a cheap, young, intriguing prospect in Lamb. I agree maybe it takes OKC out of the picture short-term (i.e. this year) but their window is huge and a long-term boon is worth a little short-term pain.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:09 AM   #62 (permalink)
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i like it for oklahoma as well. i don't necessarily think losing him will effect the team as largely as some would believe. if jones and lamb both prove to be rotational, they'll be better off. others will step it up and there won't be the burden of the contract negotiations ongoing throughout the season. you can't really go back to your team when they know that you won't make the sacrifice to keep them afloat. essentially, harden is an awesome example to why professional athletes deserve every bit of criticism they receive when there's a labor dispute. what a douche hole.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:11 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Harden will be McGrady 2.0. He's going to look pretty good, but not good enough to carry a team, and they will be looking to him to do just that.

Martin might work ok coming off the bench, but his defense could be a big problem. Without those picks in the mix that deal probably doesn't happen.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:12 AM   #64 (permalink)
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OKC won this one. Got picks as well, sweet
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:17 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Yup, good trade for both teams. Harden had some gull asking for a max deal when he knows that OKC would be hard pressed for cash.

I like Martin on OKC, Westbrook has the chance for 10+ APG if he feels the need. Also with Lamb and Perry Jones on the bench, OKC still has a pretty awesome second unit along with Collision and Maynor.

Is Martin that much of a liability on D?
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:24 AM   #66 (permalink)
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yeah, martin is pretty weak physically.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:25 AM   #67 (permalink)
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Coming off the bench his defense might not be a terrible thing. But Harden was more than just a guy coming off the bench. He was there at the end of games.
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Martin is a guy who can be there at the end of games can't he? Guy had a down year last season, but on a top team he could return to his old form perhaps.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:33 AM   #69 (permalink)
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i think martin's numbers will definitely improve. he'll be able to slip around and pick his spots with ease when either KD or westbrooke are facing double.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:56 AM   #70 (permalink)
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Wow OKC was just like "fuck you we don't want to deal with your shit" and traded Harden. Good trade for them.
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Old 10-28-2012, 12:02 PM   #71 (permalink)
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yeah that's a front office you don't jerk around.

i'm interested what the rotation will look like. i'm assuming sefolosha will continue to start at the 2, because OKC's defense would take a huge hit with Martin starting. a small-ball lineup of westbrook/martin/sefolosha/durant/ibaka is pretty well balanced and could work well for stretches. lamb is a great guy to have as your 7th/8th man.
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yeah that's a front office you don't jerk around.

i'm interested what the rotation will look like. i'm assuming sefolosha will continue to start at the 2, because OKC's defense would take a huge hit with Martin starting. a small-ball lineup of westbrook/martin/sefolosha/durant/ibaka is pretty well balanced and could work well for stretches. lamb is a great guy to have as your 7th/8th man.
I think Sefolosha is what allowed them to feel confident in making this deal. He's a solid, glue guy at a position that they don't really need an impact player with Durant and Westbrook.
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yep, and he's starting to hit the three with some consistency which will be huge.
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yep, and he's starting to hit the three with some consistency which will be huge.
and his play in the postseason was more consistent than JH's.... his off the ball play and the fact he doesn't need the ball really fits. His defense and length means he's right in line with how they want to play. The more I think about it, the more I love this move. And the more I think about KM in OKC, the more he's going to shine as a bench scorer..... OKC acted as we need to act with these young prima donna players. If they don't take a fair deal, ship em out. DD, you're on the clock.
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yeah that's a front office you don't jerk around.

i'm interested what the rotation will look like. i'm assuming sefolosha will continue to start at the 2, because OKC's defense would take a huge hit with Martin starting. a small-ball lineup of westbrook/martin/sefolosha/durant/ibaka is pretty well balanced and could work well for stretches. lamb is a great guy to have as your 7th/8th man.
i think that's just about the best "small-ball" line-up in the nba.
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thabo doesn't make harden expendable, that's just crazy talk. he's a good complimentary player, but he's not a skilled player. he fits there line-up like bruce bowen fit the spurs. expecting anything else, like expanding his role to offset the loss of harden isn't going to happen.
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Old 10-28-2012, 12:46 PM   #77 (permalink)
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i think that's just about the best "small-ball" line-up in the nba.
Chalmers
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Bosh

Or

Wade
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Chalmers
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Bosh
yep, there are 5 or 6 teams who can put out outstanding small-ball line-ups. I'd take OKC's over that one, personally.
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thabo doesn't make harden expendable, that's just crazy talk. he's a good complimentary player, but he's not a skilled player. he fits there line-up like bruce bowen fit the spurs. expecting anything else, like expanding his role to offset the loss of harden isn't going to happen.
i don't think anyone was implying that really, just that having a guy like sefolosha to maintain his starting role makes having to move Harden easier to swallow for OKC. If this move results in K-Mart having to start, or Lamb even, I don't think there would be a positive reaction to this trade from OKC's point of view. Basically the integrity of the starting lineup has remained intact, and though they don't have that firework off the bench anymore, they garnered some much needed long-term cap flexibility and still have a very nice scoring punch.
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OKC won this one. Got picks as well, sweet
they got our pick
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