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Old 10-28-2012, 02:01 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Wow. Jackpot for Lamb.

I thought Houston made some terrible deals over the summer and this seems to be more of the same to me.
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Old 10-28-2012, 02:14 AM   #42 (permalink)
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When Harden switched over to point guard in that series and hit those clutch shots it changed the pace of that series. Durant was a big part as well but Harden really was the nail in the coffin.
The easy way to handle that is by OKC finishing first in the conference during the regular season. That way, the Lakers and Spurs (2nd and 3rd) have to face each other in the conference semis, and OKC doesn't have to face either until the conference finals.

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Old 10-28-2012, 02:23 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Old 10-28-2012, 02:38 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Wow. Laker championship number 17 on the way.
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Wow. Heat championship number 2 on the way.
wow. Toronto Raptors defending champs 2013 - 2063 coming up.
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Old 10-28-2012, 02:40 AM   #45 (permalink)
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still, OKC replaced harden pretty damn quick and they got two prized prospect this year (jones and lamb) in a strict scott brooks system that makes players of their calibre flourish. OKC will be contending for the next decade.
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Another thing that just occured to me: the 2013 2nd rounder from the Bobcats is likely going to be a top 35 pick unless the Bobcats make a miraculous improvement this year. So it's the type of 2nd rounder that has a little bit of value, like a late 1st rounder. It's not just a totally crappy throw in.

So the deal likely shakes out as:

Martin
Lamb - this year's 12th pick
Toronto 1st - likely a lotto next year; at very least either a lotto before 2017 or the 2018 pick
Dallas 1st - either a late 1st round before 2017 or the 2018 pick
Bobcat 2nd - probably a 30-35 pick.

It's like Martin + two late lottos + two 20-35 range picks

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Old 10-28-2012, 03:29 AM   #47 (permalink)
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I like Bruce Bowen's tweet:

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Interesting responses. I believe this is a situation that James may look back years from now and realize that what he had in OKC was HUGE.
Similar to T-Mac in TO with Vince? You can't blame the guy for wanting to get paid (and he will in Houston), but if he would have settled for less, the Thunder could've been something really special.

I echo the sentiments by some in this thread that say it's a shame that OKC (and other small-market teams) cannot keep their players. That's why I cheer for the "little guys" and cheer against teams that try and buy winners.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:07 AM   #48 (permalink)
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So... it's our pick going to OKC, right?
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:23 AM   #50 (permalink)
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So... it's our pick going to OKC, right?
Yup. In addition to a Dallas protected 1st and a Bobcats 2nd rounder.
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I couldn't sleep so I checked out a couple of OKC forums to see how they feel about the trade. Most of the comments I read were negative. They don't like K-Mart's poor defense and poor ability to create for others. And they're discouraged by the fact that the other assets, Lamb and the picks, are not proven commodities and could be busts.

It's funny though, because I also glanced at the boards of random other NBA teams at RealGm, and there the reviews I saw were mostly positive. The OKC fans are down on the trade but the rest of the league's fans think they broke even or possibly come out ahead. Huh. Amazing how a little distance can change perspectives.
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Old 10-28-2012, 06:18 AM   #52 (permalink)
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I couldn't sleep so I checked out a couple of OKC forums to see how they feel about the trade. Most of the comments I read were negative. They don't like K-Mart's poor defense and poor ability to create for others. And they're discouraged by the fact that the other assets, Lamb and the picks, are not proven commodities and could be busts.

It's funny though, because I also glanced at the boards of random other NBA teams at RealGm, and there the reviews I saw were mostly positive. The OKC fans are down on the trade but the rest of the league's fans think they broke even or possibly come out ahead. Huh. Amazing how a little distance can change perspectives.
it's hard when you really like a guy isn't it. They've got good memories of him, good personality, and of course, the beard. And you get a 29yr old former good player and an unknown.

the other teams' forums are probably more indicative of how good the deal is. I just posted this in the harden contract thread, didn't see this thread!

"really good deal for OKC.

they avoid the harden contract issue, get a scorer off the bench, a young, good value rookie and future draft picks so they can keep getting good value players to fill out their roster."

jones and lamb could very well end up being 2 good players on affordable contracts for the next 4 years! AND they get future picks to keep trying to repeat that effect! It's a good deal, that probably pretty much covers them for the run of durant and westbrook on this team. Ibaka was more important to that team than harden.

to me it seems obvious that your earlier statement was correct. This league needs a hard cap.

but without it, presti is running okc very well.
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Old 10-28-2012, 06:25 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Most of the Laker fans on a couple of boards seem to think that the trade was a bad idea for OKC in the short term, although it could be good longterm. Laker fans seem to be happy this trade happened. Some of them are really cocky and think this locks up their finals appearance.

The focus of the negative comments tends to be on OKC losing Harden's playmaking ability off the bench. Although he can shoot, K-Mart is not a playmaker and does not make others around him better. I'd say those concerns are legit. But Manor might step up in the back-up PG role.

I'm really curious to see if OKC intends to keep Martin or will look to trade him.
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Most of the Laker fans on a couple of boards seem to think that the trade was a bad idea for OKC in the short term, although it could be good longterm. Laker fans seem to be happy this trade happened. Some of them are really cocky and think this locks up their finals appearance.

The focus of the negative comments tends to be on OKC losing Harden's playmaking ability off the bench. Although he can shoot, K-Mart is not a playmaker and does not make others around him better. I'd say those concerns are legit. But Manor might step up in the back-up PG role.

I'm really curious to see if OKC intends to keep Martin or will look to trade him.
it's a fascinating trade in general isn't it.

i think that might be a bit of bravado from lakers fans! also i think they're not considering what you just said, maynor is a good player, he was showing signs of being a good PG before the injury.

k-mart is slightly undervalued i think. He's a wily old pro. Might not be a playmaker but he has good IQ, he won't let them down. Also i think durant will continue to grow as a player and can be more and more of a facilitator.

my gut says okc will keep martin through the play-offs, the value of the trade is lamb and the picks, martin is a rental? maybe it depends on how lamb does? Do you think lamb will get much PT?
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:10 AM   #55 (permalink)
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I think both teams benefited. People forget Martin was a 20+ scorer not too long ago.
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Old 10-28-2012, 10:58 AM   #56 (permalink)
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GOODNESS! How unfortunate that this new cba is just making it harder for small market teams to keep up with the big guys. I was really hoping they'd come to a deal I liked that core. I think this is a huge blow for them right now ( short term at least). I consider the lakers to be the best team in the west now, that might be premature but Harden is just a huge loss . Okc has some nice young prospects and two lottery picks and with Presti's luck with drafting, this could prove to be great long term
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Good trade for Houston, and good trade for the future for OKC, but it really eliminates them from being contenders unless Ibaka comes back as a new player this season.

I like Martin, but he isnt reliable with his injury problems, and hes nowhere near as efficient as Harden obviously. That and he cant carry the offensive load in terms of being the creator for the second unit, so Maynors role will increase this year and a lot more pressure will be put on KD/Westbrook to be the creators for this team. I see them as a 2nd round and out team now.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:32 AM   #59 (permalink)
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I choked on my coffee seeing this story. OKC wins in this one in my opinion, stacked for the future even more.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:35 AM   #60 (permalink)
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OKC now has Sefolosha, Martin, Lamb at the 2..........not bad IMO. They'll be fine.
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