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Old 09-26-2012, 12:22 PM   #41 (permalink)
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This... 25 of 30 teams are pretty much hopeless in comparison to the top contenders. There really isn't anything to look forward to other than making the playoffs as a consolation for most other teams. It's so pathetic.
Seriously. The NBA is completely fucked. Time for another lockout.
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Old 09-26-2012, 12:32 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Seriously. The NBA is completely fucked. Time for another lockout.
I guess you would have hated watching the league in the 80's. I personally like super-teams and think it's better for the league's broader appeal. It's great if your team is one of them, but would suck if you're a die-hard fan of one of the lesser teams.

I think if OKC can't sign Harden to an extension by the Oct 31st deadline, they will definitely try to move him. Otherwise another team will offer him either the max or a poison-pill contract, meaning they could lose him for nothing. If deciding between Ibaka and Harden, I would go with Ibaka, his contract is much more reasonable than a max Harden.

I also don't think they amnesty Perkins. First, he guards Howard well. Second, they would still have to pay his salary.
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:58 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Sj with the complete 180 from "No parity ruining the league" to "sign me up for league pass!!".

I can't wait - going to be some great basketball.

OKC/LAL is a toss up imo

Westbrooks youth in the back court could be the difference against Kobe & Nash
oh fuck dude whatever, this isn't a fix the league thread, its a "holy fuck, look at that team" thread. The league is still well fuckd, trust my opinion hasn't changed there. Stop stirring it up yo!!!
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again... almost like you guys are on cue.... it's honestly touching.
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Old 09-26-2012, 02:19 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I guess you would have hated watching the league in the 80's. I personally like super-teams and think it's better for the league's broader appeal. It's great if your team is one of them, but would suck if you're a die-hard fan of one of the lesser teams.

I think if OKC can't sign Harden to an extension by the Oct 31st deadline, they will definitely try to move him. Otherwise another team will offer him either the max or a poison-pill contract, meaning they could lose him for nothing. If deciding between Ibaka and Harden, I would go with Ibaka, his contract is much more reasonable than a max Harden.

I also don't think they amnesty Perkins. First, he guards Howard well. Second, they would still have to pay his salary.
Paying his salary straight up isn't the issue, its the tax implication. The amnesty may help OKC to avoid paying a lot more money.
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Old 09-26-2012, 04:43 PM   #46 (permalink)
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LA's payroll is over 100 million for 2012-2013.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:06 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Paying his salary straight up isn't the issue, its the tax implication. The amnesty may help OKC to avoid paying a lot more money.
It is the issue. It's not about how much tax they're paying, it's how much total the ownership has to pay. If they amnesty Perkins, they will still have to sign another starting center. That starting center will have be paid less than ~$4 million per year to make it less costly than just having kept Perkins on the roster (unless they start Aldrich or Thabeet, lol). Good luck finding a quality center in this league for less than that.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:58 PM   #48 (permalink)
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All I can think about is:


______PPG RPG APG
Kobe 27.9 5.4 4.6
Nash 12.5 3.0 10.7
Metta 7.7 3.4 2.2
Gasol 17.4 10.4 3.6
Howard20.6 14.5 1.9

Starters 86.1PPG 36.7RPG 23APG <--- I know these numbers won't be exact but close

Those offensive numbers alone are staggering...Add Jamison, Ebanks, Hill, Meeks & even Blake's points off the bench & yah they are over the 100 point mark with ease. & defensively with Howard in the middle along with Gasol & Kobe they will be very hard to beat.

I am wondering if they can beat the Bulls record of 72-10?
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Old 09-26-2012, 08:00 PM   #49 (permalink)
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oh fuck dude whatever, this isn't a fix the league thread, its a "holy fuck, look at that team" thread. The league is still well fuckd, trust my opinion hasn't changed there. Stop stirring it up yo!!!
It doesn't make sense to have both views. On one hand you think the league is doomed, on the other hand you admit that it's exciting and you yourself want to contribute $200 hard earned dollars to the league-shared coffers.

On another note;

New world of finances could halt Harden's time in OKC | NBA.com

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The Silnas owned the Spirits of St. Louis ABA team, and in 1976, they wanted to join the other ABA teams that were going to be part of the then-upcoming merger with the NBA. Four teams -- the Nets, Pacers, Spurs and Nuggets -- made the cut, but the Spirits, along some other teams -- most notably, the Kentucky Colonels, who had been one of the league's top teams -- didn't. The Colonels took a $3 million flat payment from the ABA as compensation for not being part of the merger. But the Silnas didn't.

The other four teams agreed to a deal with the brothers, who had come up with a potential solution for any of the ABA teams that were left out of the merger. The terms were these: Each of the teams that made it would give the ones who didn't one-seventh of one share of the money those teams received from the NBA's national television contract. And the deal would be in perpetuity -- legalese for "forever." The Silnas took the deal.

At the time, in 1976, the national deal the NBA had with CBS -- and there was no national cable deal, as there was next to no national cable television at the time -- was $21 million per year for the entire league. Two years later, the NBA got $74 million over four years from CBS, but the ABA teams that were coming into the league didn't get full shares of the TV money until 1980. At the beginning, the ABA teams only received $116,000 each per year, according to an article that year by the New York Times. So no one thought much of the Silnas' deal.

But times changed.

The NBA had a harmonic convergence of superstar players enter the league throughout the 1980s: Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, David Robinson. The two most important, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird, came into the league in 1980, and soon built the Lakers and Celtics back into championship squads, each with a telegenic style of play that wowed both paying customers in NBA arenas and casual fans watching at home. Isiah Thomas built the Pistons into a hard-nosed contender that finally became a champion in 1989. And Michael Jordan took basketball to a level it had never reached before, making the NBA into must-see TV, and making NBA players credible pitchmen for advertisers, which only enhanced the value of the league further.

That value was reflected in the TV contracts, which grew to $88 million, then $175 million, then $600 million, then $750 million, then $1.75 billion, then $4.5 billion, and, now, $7.4 billion over eight years from ABC, ESPN and my company, TNT. And, in every year since 1980, the Silnas have gotten their 1/7th of one share of that money from the Nets, Spurs, Nuggets and Pacers.

Their up-to-date haul? Somewhere north of $250 million, with no end in sight.

And now, they want more.

The brothers in a new legal filing that was argued in a Manhattan district court Sept. 6, claim that the deal they signed almost three decades ago not only applies to the network and cable TV broadcast contracts, but should also apply to the hundreds of millions in revenue the league now gets from international broadcast television rights, the NBA's League Pass package and from the regional sports networks (RSNs) that most NBA teams own or buy time from to air their local broadcasts. The NBA, as you would imagine, disagrees.

Yes, many franchises have sold for more than that over the years. But the Silnas haven't had to pay a single coach, player, usher, secretary, PR person or janitor a dime since 1976. That $250 million is pure profit.

"Worst deal in the history of sports," lamented a team official of one of the teams Friday, "and unfair to start four teams in the hole every year ... it's an issue that no one really wants to deal with except the four teams, so it kind of keeps getting pushed to the exterior."

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Old 09-26-2012, 08:30 PM   #50 (permalink)
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again... almost like you guys are on cue.... it's honestly touching.
In that other thread, YOU went out of your way to say that bjjs "doesn't understand the economics" during your doom and gloom predictions. As far as I'm concerned, when you shit talk like that, you're asking for him to point out your inconsistency.

I'm glad you're touched. It brings joy to my heart.
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Old 09-26-2012, 08:41 PM   #51 (permalink)
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LA's payroll is over 100 million for 2012-2013.
I heard it's around $240 million for the '13-'14 season when the new tax penalty kicks in.
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Old 09-26-2012, 08:48 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I heard it's around $240 million for the '13-'14 season when the new tax penalty kicks in.

Lakers salary/tax for 2013-14 could exceed 200Mil
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:22 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Yeah I saw that but I saw another report weeks before that one (I think Larry Coon reported it) saying the Lakers payroll could be close to $230-240 million.

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But the real kicker is that, in 2013-2014 alone, Coon estimates that the Lakers will lose an estimated $240 million due to revenue sharing, salaries and luxury tax – $115 million of which is because the Lakers are repeat luxury tax offenders (over multiple seasons), and therefore will pay a much steeper price than the one-to-one cost.
So it's not just payroll but the Lakers would lose about $240 million that season.

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So it's not just payroll but the Lakers would lose about $240 million that season.

A deep playoff run + reg season revenue and they'll still make money and probably end up winning a championship or two. No Brainer.
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If the Lakers won't win it all this season all of the heat will go towards Mike Brown. You can count on it.
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If the Lakers won't win it all this season all of the heat will go towards Mike Brown. You can count on it.
Not if Kobe goes retard mode.
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Old 09-27-2012, 06:27 PM   #57 (permalink)
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i hate it. i want to hate on the lakers, but nash is there. not cool. looks like im going to have to be in this neutral limbo when i watch their games every sunday on abc
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i can't think of many things worse than a neutral limbo
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i hate it. i want to hate on the lakers, but nash is there. not cool. looks like im going to have to be in this neutral limbo when i watch their games every sunday on abc
I was like that for a bit when Malone went there. Then the thought of him winning a ring just became a means of consoling myself. Then they got killed by the Pistons. And I loved it.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:31 PM   #60 (permalink)
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It is the issue. It's not about how much tax they're paying, it's how much total the ownership has to pay. If they amnesty Perkins, they will still have to sign another starting center. That starting center will have be paid less than ~$4 million per year to make it less costly than just having kept Perkins on the roster (unless they start Aldrich or Thabeet, lol). Good luck finding a quality center in this league for less than that.
That's my point, it could go from 9.1 to significantly higher after next year (if the team extends Harden the max then OKC will be paying 60mil for 4 players in 2 years), so avoiding paying the tax is a big one since an amnestied player doesn't count on the cap. Perkins is a dud anyways and is overpaid. He's a product of the Boston system and playing along side KG/PP/RR can make a lot of players look good - a la K-Mart. IMO OKC's style is way to free wheeling for a player like Perk. He'd be better served on a team like the Spurs or Utah. Trading Perk for cap and a cheap center would be ideal however personally, I would either amnesty Perkins next year or (and preferably) give him to Utah or like team next summer for cap space and a pick - Perk is in the wrong system. I would then slide Ibaka to C and start prepping PJ3 to take over the 4 spot with Collison. Ibaka/PJ3/KD/Thabo/RW would be exciting and fast and dangerous.

Now if I could, I would trade DD/Pick/JC for Harden (though I could see OKC asking for Ross/pick/JC for Harden). I like the idea of Lowry/Harden/Fields/Bargs/JV.
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