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Old 10-18-2011, 07:54 PM   #21 (permalink)
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i have no problems with players going wherever they want to go as long as they honor their contracts. once their contracts are up, they aren't obligated to do anything. just like in real life where you give ur employer advance notice if u plan to leave, players should do the same if they don't plan on resigning.
as for the argument of "being loyal to the city/fanbase". how loyal was washington to gilbert arenas or the portland fans complaining about brandon roy's contract?
these things work both ways
since you're using the 'real life' argument here, what would your employer do if you brought a gun to work? so please dont say that washington's treatment of arenas was harsh.
and is brandon roy getting paid, you bet your ass he is.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:57 PM   #22 (permalink)
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orlando is a big market if ur talking vacation hot spots. but other than that....orland is faaaaar from being a big market....
the amount of national televised games they've had in the past years disagrees
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Why the F**k does a player need to "reward" his fans? He's done enough by playing his heart out for X amount of years. Trying to get the city a title.

I'd leave. Orlando isn't winning a ring with their current roster situation. I mean their stuck with Turk for a few years and are about to lose a lot of their keys players. If the company i work for looks like its about to goto crap in the coming years, and management cannot fully convince me that things will change...im gone. As much as I'd miss my friends and cooworkers, I'd say my goodbyes and do what's best for me.

Fans need to get over the notion that players owe their loyalty to them. All a player can do is try his best to make it work for the time allocated to his deal. If it doesn't work, the situation is crap and no positive change is in sight...THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO LEAVE (in a respectful manner of course).
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i have no problems with players going wherever they want to go as long as they honor their contracts. once their contracts are up, they aren't obligated to do anything. just like in real life where you give ur employer advance notice if u plan to leave, players should do the same if they don't plan on resigning.
as for the argument of "being loyal to the city/fanbase". how loyal was washington to gilbert arenas or the portland fans complaining about brandon roy's contract?
these things work both ways
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Dwight has the right to leave. The organization has done a shitty job building around him especially after their last finals appearance. They may never win a championship with Stan Van Gundy's theory of having all 3 point shooters surrounding Dwight.
I agree with all of these POVs.... I just find it interesting that some fans will vilify one player for leaving, while supporting another.

Howard actually went to the Finals and has been a regular in the playoffs... he's also played with players who have made the all-star team. He actually has LESS to complain about than most.

I'm sure that he'll be in LA before long though. lol.
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This why I'm glad there's a strike. Players have all the power in this league.
It needs to change.
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since you're using the 'real life' argument here, what would your employer do if you brought a gun to work? so please dont say that washington's treatment of arenas was harsh.
and is brandon roy getting paid, you bet your ass he is.
then don't use the word loyalty then (not saying you particularly, but those that scrutinize players that leave)....because to be loyal is to stick with someone no matter what. a dog is loyal to its owner even tho his owner may be a criminal

gilbert might have been a bad example, but you should get the gist of what i'm saying

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the amount of national televised games they've had in the past years disagrees
smh....national televised games and market size have no correlation whatsoever
how many national televised games did cleveland have with lebron and then after lebron? cleveland is a small market
how many national televised games did knicks have all those years they sucked? new york is a big market
miami is not a big market at all but last year don't know how many national televised games they got.....
the correlation is superstars get on national tv

orlando is ranked 79th in the US in population. there are no nba cities that rank below that. and i'm also pretty sure no corporate headquarters are located there....

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i don't know how the league accomplishes this or what can be done to change a player's standpoint, but free agency just seems too be way to big an issue in the NBA. I can't think of another league or sport which has this level of speculation about players leaving their original teams for whatever reason. The courting process; the threats of leaving cities; the pathetic fan petitions of "oh please stay here. we love you." It's messed up.
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smh....national televised games and market size have no correlation whatsoever
how many national televised games did cleveland have with lebron and then after lebron? cleveland is a small market
how many national televised games did knicks have all those years they sucked? new york is a big market
miami is not a big market at all but last year don't know how many national televised games they got.....
the correlation is superstars get on national tv

orlando is ranked 79th in the US in population. there are no nba cities that rank below that. and i'm also pretty sure no corporate headquarters are located there....
lol. like Disney?...the people that own ESPN?
and their Metro area is top 30 in the country and the fastest growing part of Florida
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Old 10-19-2011, 11:39 AM   #29 (permalink)
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i don't know how the league accomplishes this or what can be done to change a player's standpoint, but free agency just seems too be way to big an issue in the NBA. I can't think of another league or sport which has this level of speculation about players leaving their original teams for whatever reason. The courting process; the threats of leaving cities; the pathetic fan petitions of "oh please stay here. we love you." It's messed up.
There aren't any other sports where a single player can have so much impact on a team. Maybe a QB in football, but that's a bit of a stretch.

Personally, I think if the owners want to be able to retain their players, there needs to be a vast difference in salary between re-signing with a team and signing with a new team. Say, the max contract is 30% less if signed through free agency with another team. For example.
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lol. like Disney?...the people that own ESPN?
and their Metro area is top 30 in the country and the fastest growing part of Florida
i was guessing so i didn't state it as fact. but that doesn't make a difference to the main point of the argument which is orlando is a small market.
top 30 in the country eh? how many nba teams are there? might as well have said orlando is a top 30 nba market
also, i don't know why you pointed out fastest growing. it doesn't saying anything really except.....that its fastest growing....lol and even then its ambiguous
city population of 1 person grows to 2. thats a growth of 100% or 1 person
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then don't use the word loyalty then (not saying you particularly, but those that scrutinize players that leave)....because to be loyal is to stick with someone no matter what. a dog is loyal to its owner even tho his owner may be a criminal

gilbert might have been a bad example, but you should get the gist of what i'm saying
talk about a bad example. a dog is loyal to the person that feeds and cares for it. it has no idea what criminality is.
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talk about a bad example. a dog is loyal to the person that feeds and cares for it. it has no idea what criminality is.
Not even a K-9 unit dog?
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smh....national televised games and market size have no correlation whatsoever
how many national televised games did cleveland have with lebron and then after lebron? cleveland is a small market
how many national televised games did knicks have all those years they sucked? new york is a big market
miami is not a big market at all but last year don't know how many national televised games they got.....
the correlation is superstars get on national tv

orlando is ranked 79th in the US in population. there are no nba cities that rank below that. and i'm also pretty sure no corporate headquarters are located there....
but they still sell merchandise and produce winning teams on a consistent basis, which makes them a big market. population and city size has nothing to do with a popularity of a team, not anymore at least, its the winning team that sells. in this ever growing connected world thanks to improvement of communication, teams no longer have to rely on the local businesses and population of the city that supports them. take a popular player like howard who is the face of the franchise, and every year worldwide he's voted into the all-star game, thats advertising for his team as well as the merchandise. bottom line is, winning makes the team florish.
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Not even a K-9 unit dog?

it follows instructions.
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but they still sell merchandise and produce winning teams on a consistent basis, which makes them a big market. population and city size has nothing to do with a popularity of a team, not anymore at least, its the winning team that sells. in this ever growing connected world thanks to improvement of communication, teams no longer have to rely on the local businesses and population of the city that supports them. take a popular player like howard who is the face of the franchise, and every year worldwide he's voted into the all-star game, thats advertising for his team as well as the merchandise. bottom line is, winning makes the team florish.
i think you don't know the meaning of big/small market.
market size and popularity (or winning) are not the same thing....
a big market is a big market regardless of how much they win, how much they make, etc
same thing for a small market
i'll give u another example..... the green bay packers, one of the most popular teams in the NFL, reigning super bowl champs, perfect so far this season.....end of the day, they're still a small market team
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it follows instructions.
i'm not sure but wouldn't it only take instructions from one individual? and it wouldn't matter what mistakes that person has done, the dog would still take that person's instructions?
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i'm not sure but wouldn't it only take instructions from one individual? and it wouldn't matter what mistakes that person has done, the dog would still take that person's instructions?
because it has been trained to do so.
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i think you don't know the meaning of big/small market.
market size and popularity (or winning) are not the same thing....
a big market is a big market regardless of how much they win, how much they make, etc
same thing for a small market
i'll give u another example..... the green bay packers, one of the most popular teams in the NFL, reigning super bowl champs, perfect so far this season.....end of the day, they're still a small market team
but isnt it that a small market is considered small market because of the lack of media attention? i dont get it

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didnt orlando have enough media attention throughout its history in the league? im confused here
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This why I'm glad there's a strike. Players have all the power in this league.
It needs to change.
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but isnt it that a small market is considered small market because of the lack of media attention? i dont get it


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didnt orlando have enough media attention throughout its history in the league? im confused here
here are the 2010-2011 rankings
http://www.sportstvjobs.com/resource...sizes-dma.html

orlando is 19th (higher than i thought), but still bottom half in the league

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