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Old 06-14-2011, 02:35 PM   #21 (permalink)
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i think you are conflating two things here torap. one is respect and the other is villainy.

i would not have as much respect for dwight if he left orlando to join other stars and form a quasi-all-star team to get an easier shot at a title than if he did what dirk did - and that is stay loyal, work with management to bring in a quality supporting cast and make a go of it while he is in his prime. that's an issue of respect gained through struggle vs taking the easier route. but it doesn't engender hate or villainy. it's just an issue of ideal expectations and who you might root for.

the villainy part comes from the ego, the chosen 1 thing, the decision, the pre-season championship parade, the lack of making intentions clear so that the team can plan and get something in return. this is what engenders genuine dislike and is an issue of who you might root against.
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his contract is up, and he is notifying his employer way ahead of time that he's leaving. This allows a bidding war for him.

Orlando will do well here.

Dwight is being a pro.
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i think you are conflating two things here torap. one is respect and the other is villainy.

i would not have as much respect for dwight if he left orlando to join other stars and form a quasi-all-star team to get an easier shot at a title than if he did what dirk did - and that is stay loyal, work with management to bring in a quality supporting cast and make a go of it while he is in his prime. that's an issue of respect gained through struggle vs taking the easier route. but it doesn't engender hate or villainy. it's just an issue of ideal expectations and who you might root for.

the villainy part comes from the ego, the chosen 1 thing, the decision, the pre-season championship parade, the lack of making intentions clear so that the team can plan and get something in return. this is what engenders genuine dislike and is an issue of who you might root against.
This.

Although, in my case, I never really liked Dwight. No matter where he plays, I'd dislike him (different from pure hate). I have reasons.
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Old 06-14-2011, 03:37 PM   #24 (permalink)
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his contract is up, and he is notifying his employer way ahead of time that he's leaving. This allows a bidding war for him.

Orlando will do well here.

Dwight is being a pro.
He didn't say that he was leaving, just that he was opting out of his contract after the season. This gives him the flexibility to explore his options, including staying with the Magic.
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Old 06-14-2011, 04:18 PM   #25 (permalink)
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He didn't say that he was leaving, just that he was opting out of his contract after the season. This gives him the flexibility to explore his options, including staying with the Magic.
You are being blinded by the "Chris Bosh" effect
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Old 06-14-2011, 10:17 PM   #26 (permalink)
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You are being blinded by the "Chris Bosh" effect
I think Howard is a different beast. I think he'll actually give the Magic management team a chance to improve the team and if they show improvement he'll stick around. I also think Nowitzki winning with the Mavs will have an influence on his decision.

One last thing, I think the Magic will trade him first instead of letting him walk in FA. So if there isn't any improvement shown by the trade deadline, I could see the Magic trading him. Of course, this could be irrelevant if the new CBA includes a "franchise" tag.
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Old 06-15-2011, 01:31 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I don't blame Dwight if he truly wants to get the hell outta there. Management totally ruined the club chemistry by bringing in a bunch of washed up players. Long-term, Orlando is a sinking ship, thanks to Agent Zero and Hedo's monstrous contracts.
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Old 06-15-2011, 01:52 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I think Howard is a different beast. I think he'll actually give the Magic management team a chance to improve the team and if they show improvement he'll stick around. I also think Nowitzki winning with the Mavs will have an influence on his decision.

One last thing, I think the Magic will trade him first instead of letting him walk in FA. So if there isn't any improvement shown by the trade deadline, I could see the Magic trading him. Of course, this could be irrelevant if the new CBA includes a "franchise" tag.
How in God's name will management do that?

They have 2 of the WORST contracts in the NBA right now and don't really have any real valuable assets outside of Howard (and maybe Nelson).
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:07 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Maybe he's sick of bailing out his permeable teammates. Draft Knight, hope he and Demar form a stellar first line of defense. Shed all undesirable contracts and lure him to the bright lights of White Vegas with a young, athletic, defensive minded ball club. Okay, much easier said than done, and maybe putting all our eggs in one basket sets us back, but hey, we're rebuilding anyway. Far fetched, yes, but one can dream:

Knight/Bayless/Rasho
Demar/Rasho
Johnson/2012 lotto pick (field stacked with SFs - ideally Barnes)/Rasho
Ed/Amir/Rasho
D12/Rasho
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:27 AM   #30 (permalink)
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do not feel sorry for orlando. he is giving them a heads up like carmelo, unlike a so called former raptor..
i say he lands in laker town, just a hunch. i mean him on the nets
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Old 06-15-2011, 03:04 PM   #31 (permalink)
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How in God's name will management do that?

They have 2 of the WORST contracts in the NBA right now and don't really have any real valuable assets outside of Howard (and maybe Nelson).
We've seen GMs find ways to move contracts, although I agree that the Magic will be hard pressed to improve their team given their cap situation.
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Old 06-15-2011, 03:08 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Maybe he's sick of bailing out his permeable teammates. Draft Knight, hope he and Demar form a stellar first line of defense. Shed all undesirable contracts and lure him to the bright lights of White Vegas with a young, athletic, defensive minded ball club. Okay, much easier said than done, and maybe putting all our eggs in one basket sets us back, but hey, we're rebuilding anyway. Far fetched, yes, but one can dream:

Knight/Bayless/Rasho
Demar/Rasho
Johnson/2012 lotto pick (field stacked with SFs - ideally Barnes)/Rasho
Ed/Amir/Rasho
D12/Rasho
I'd love it... but its not even close to likely :P One could hope though.
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Old 06-16-2011, 01:28 PM   #33 (permalink)
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his contract is up, and he is notifying his employer way ahead of time that he's leaving. This allows a bidding war for him.

Orlando will do well here.

Dwight is being a pro.
Problem is..... he's never come out and said that.

What he's said is that "he wants to see the Magic make a concerted effort to improve the team to show that they're serious about winning."

Apparently his wish list right now consists of Carlos Boozer AND Chris Paul. lol.

Hell that should be CAKE for the Magic's GM to pull off!
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