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Old 04-02-2011, 05:17 PM   #41 (permalink)
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lol by attacking my post you just completely proved me correctly.
It's the manner that's funny.

Ah, yes, the classic "learn to spell" argument. Nothing says "I'm confident in the merit of the content of my posts" like attacking another poster's spelling.
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Old 04-03-2011, 09:42 PM   #42 (permalink)
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lol by attacking my post you just completely proved me correctly.

Carter is trash, go cry yourself to sleep again.
Oh, I get it. You replied to my post about your cry-fest by telling me to "cry myself to sleep". hahahahaha! How witty and clever of you. That take you long to think up? But hey, at least you didn't type in ALL CAPS this time. So you're making progress "Psi". Baby steps.
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Old 04-03-2011, 09:44 PM   #43 (permalink)
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It's the manner that's funny.

Ah, yes, the classic "learn to spell" argument. Nothing says "I'm confident in the merit of the content of my posts" like attacking another poster's spelling.
I find it funny that you would comment on me pointing out his spelling, but would make no mention whatsoever of his ALL CAPS "HULK SMASH" yelling and screaming post that I was responding to in the first place. Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Because nothing says "I'm confident in the merit of my posts" by typing in ALL CAPS! YEAH, THAT WILL SHOW EVERYONE THAT I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND I MEAN BUSINESS!!!!11!111!
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Old 04-03-2011, 09:49 PM   #44 (permalink)
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And I love how you made no attempt to defend the shooting during the Cleveland series, even though you talked about how great his 2006-2007 season was. Yeah, and he fucked up when it mattered.
When I mentioned his season numbers, I was talking about his regular season numbers. I thought that was obvious. If someone posts a player's season numbers, 99 times out of 100 they are talking regular season unless they explicitly state otherwise, which I will make sure to do in the future.

I didn't say anything about Carter's play in the playoffs except games 3 and 4 against the Raptors, and his overall numbers against in the series against the Raptors. Obviously he did not play well against the Cavs. I never suggested he did. Though really they shouldn't have even gotten that far in the first place. In the first round they were a 6th place team playing a 3rd place team. It was actually embarrassing for the Raptors that they lost that series to begin with. Of course Chrissy Bosh and his 39% shooting in the series was the main culprit.

As for your "that's where the apology ends", I never asked for an apology in the first place. In fact, I never even addressed you in this thread until you responded to me. Prior to yours and "Psis" comments towards me, every comment that I made was addressed to someone else, not you guys.
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Old 04-03-2011, 10:38 PM   #45 (permalink)
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this thread title should be re-named to " How long before ppl get off VC's dick" honestly wtf do u expect him to be friggin Jordan? VC doesnt try, so what? Thats his problem. fuck phoneix anywyz .
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:07 AM   #46 (permalink)
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When I mentioned his season numbers, I was talking about his regular season numbers. I thought that was obvious. If someone posts a player's season numbers, 99 times out of 100 they are talking regular season unless they explicitly state otherwise, which I will make sure to do in the future.
I was broadening the picture to show what you left out by only focussing on the regular season. He didn't show up when it mattered. In fact, you even asked the others for examples when they criticized Carter.

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I didn't say anything about Carter's play in the playoffs except games 3 and 4 against the Raptors, and his overall numbers against in the series against the Raptors.
Of course you didn't. Because it wouldn't make Carter look good. Again, I was trying to provide a fuller picture.

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Obviously he did not play well against the Cavs. I never suggested he did.
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Though really they shouldn't have even gotten that far in the first place. In the first round they were a 6th place team playing a 3rd place team.
The only reason they were the 6th seed is because the Nets underachieved. The Raptors also lost Garbojosa part of the way through the season. Furthermore, they didn't start the series with Bargnani, since he was hurt. And Bargs was playing well during the second half of his rookie season. Also, the Nets roster had a lot of playoffs experience, the Raptors not so much.

I can't believe you had the nerve to imply that 'trane is stupid and then come back with such a complete lack of understanding of the situation. "Well, they were the lower seed, so they shouldn't have even won!" Nice oversimplification.

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It was actually embarrassing for the Raptors that they lost that series to begin with.
See above.

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Of course Chrissy Bosh and his 39% shooting in the series was the main culprit.
I'm not a Bosh fan and even I see that as an oversimplification of the issue. But Bosh could have played better.

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Old 04-04-2011, 01:15 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Because nothing says "I'm confident in the merit of my posts" by typing in ALL CAPS! YEAH, THAT WILL SHOW EVERYONE THAT I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND I MEAN BUSINESS!!!!11!111!
Haha

I think I misjudged your age. You're younger than I thought, since you don't pick up on his real intention for the caps lock. The caps were used to indicate your raging, not his. And since you were the first to resort to calling a person's post "stupid", I think his use of the caps was rather appropriate.

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Old 04-04-2011, 01:28 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Haha

I think I misjudged your age. You're younger than I thought, since you don't pick up on his real intention for the caps lock. The caps were used to indicate your raging, not his. And since you were the first to resort to calling a person's post "stupid", I think his use of the caps was rather appropriate.
No. First, I was not raging. Second, I was not even talking to him in the first place. Why do you keep talking for "Psi" and defending him anyways? Are both accounts really you?
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:32 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Are both accounts really you?
Yes. Was it the similarity in writing style that gave it away?
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:34 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:36 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Of course you didn't. Because it wouldn't make Carter look good. Again, I was trying to provide a fuller picture.
Wrong. I left it out because I was acknowledging that he didn't play well in that series. Just like you said you left out games 3 and 4 against the Raptors because you were acknowledging he played well in those games. In fact, that's pretty much exactly what you said.

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The only reason they were the 6th seed is because the Nets underachieved. The Raptors also lost Garbojosa part of the way through the season. Furthermore, they didn't start the series with Bargnani, since he was hurt. And Bargs was playing well during the second half of his rookie season. Also, the Nets roster had a lot of playoffs experience, the Raptors not so much.
Impressive. Any more excuses you want to throw out there? And you left out the fact that the Nets were without their 4th best player (Nenad Kristic) for the entire series, whereas the Raptors had all of their 4 best players available for the series.

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I can't believe you had the nerve to imply that 'trane is stupid
What I said was put to rest. 'trane and I even exchanged PMs about it. It was dead and buried until you and Psi mysteriously decided to resurrect it, and didn't even involve anyone else to begin with. Nobody knows why you guys did, but you did.

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"Well, they were the lower seed, so they shouldn't have even won!" Nice oversimplification.
They were a lower seed without one of their top 4 players. It is not an oversimplification at all. How often does the 6th seed beat the 3rd seed?

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I'm not a Bosh fan and even I see that as an oversimplification of the issue. But Bosh could have played better.
I don't think it was an oversimplification at all. Most of the rest of the team played well. Had Bosh played even average the Raptors would have won the series. Bosh shot 3-15 FG through the first 3 quarters of game 6, the most important game of his life. In the 4th quarter he settled for a jump shot that he clanked over Richard Jefferson when he had plenty of time to drive. In the ensuing play, he failed to stop RJ who took him all the way to the hoop for an easy layup. If he succeeds in either of those plays, the Raptors win the game.
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Yes. Was it the similarity in writing style that gave it away?
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Wrong. I left it out because I was acknowledging that he didn't play well in that series. Just like you said you left out games 3 and 4 against the Raptors because you were acknowledging he played well in those games. In fact, that's pretty much exactly what you said.
Nice try. But, when I posted a response, game 3 and 4 had already been mentioned, so my omission was granting what you'd said. When you left out the rest of the playoffs, nobody had mentioned it yet. You just selectively chose games. And after criticizing people earlier for not providing examples. If you knew he sucked so hard in those other games, why would you request the examples? You now say you knew he sucked.

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Impressive. Any more excuses you want to throw out there?
It's the reality of the situation. Garbo was gone, Bargs was hurt, the starting lineup had limited playoff experience. Reality.

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And you left out the fact that the Nets were without their 4th best player (Nenad Kristic) for the entire series, whereas the Raptors had all of their 4 best players available for the series.
Uh, not if Garbo is considered one of the Raps top 4 players in terms of value. He was gone. Debatable, given what he brought to the table.


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What I said was put to rest. 'trane and I even exchanged PMs about it.
Cool.

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It was dead and buried until you and Psi mysteriously decided to resurrect it, and didn't even involve anyone else to begin with. Nobody knows why you guys did, but you did.
As I mentioned before, I thought the thread was more current when I saw it near the top of the NBA section.

As for "[it] didn't even involve anyone else to begin with", other people frequently join into conversation on internet forums, even when a user address a particular person. I see it on every form I visit (basketball and non), so it shouldn't matter.


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They were a lower seed without one of their top 4 players. It is not an oversimplification at all.
Again, the Raps were missing 2 of their top 6 players (Garbo and Bargs) for significant portions of the series, and one for the whole thing.

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How often does the 6th seed beat the 3rd seed?
I could probably look that up. But it's not the right question. How often does it happen when the higher seed is so lacking in playoff experience and is missing 2 of their top 6 players in key games. It was not a typical 3 versus 6 mathcup.


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I don't think it was an oversimplification at all. Most of the rest of the team played well. Had Bosh played even average the Raptors would have won the series. Bosh shot 3-15 FG through the first 3 quarters of game 6, the most important game of his life. In the 4th quarter he settled for a jump shot that he clanked over Richard Jefferson when he had plenty of time to drive. In the ensuing play, he failed to stop RJ who took him all the way to the hoop for an easy layup. If he succeeds in either of those plays, the Raptors win the game.
Are you now looking to focus solely on game 6? Because that's a different point than the one you made before when calling Bosh the "main culprit". You noted his series numbers. That suggested that you were blaming him for the series. I called that an oversimplification, since a number of things going differently could have possibly pushed the Raps over the top. If you want to focus solely on game 6, then I'm not inclined to disagree.

So, I guess you really don't believe the series was over after game 4, eh? Because when you were praising Carter's game 3 and 4 performances, you suggested it was already over.
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Old 04-04-2011, 02:36 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Uh, not if Garbo is considered one of the Raps top 4 players in terms of value. He was gone. Debatable, given what he brought to the table.
Didn't the Raptors win something like 80% of their games after Garbajosa was injured through to the end of the regular season? I don't feel like checking, but I seem to remember that.

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I could probably look that up. But it's not the right question. How often does it happen when the higher seed is so lacking in playoff experience and is missing 2 of their top 6 players in key games. It was not a typical 3 versus 6 mathcup.
They had an NBA champion. Did the Nets have any NBA champions? I don't remember any?

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Are you now looking to focus solely on game 6?
No. He sucked the whole series. But game 6 was the biggest game of his life, and he single-handedly chucked the Raptors to the loss.

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Because that's a different point than the one you made before when calling Bosh the "main culprit". You noted his series numbers. That suggested that you were blaming him for the series.
I blamed him for the series AND game 6. I was never a Bosh fan after that.

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So, I guess you really don't believe the series was over after game 4, eh? Because when you were praising Carter's game 3 and 4 performances, you suggested it was already over.
It was over in that the Raptors were not going to overcome a 3-1 lead to win the series. At that time I thought they might, but in retrospect, no team with Bosh as their #1 scorer will ever win a playoff series. We know that now.
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Old 04-04-2011, 02:40 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Garbajosa suffered his injury March 26, 2007. After that the Raptors finished the season 9-2 in their last 11 games.
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There's several things I'd like to address, but for now I'm focussing on two points you raised:

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Garbajosa suffered his injury March 26, 2007. After that the Raptors finished the season 9-2 in their last 11 games.
9-3 but close enough.

However, this requires some context, since you seem to be implying his loss didn't hurt the team. You can't say that. In fact, I'd argue that that particular stretch of games was a fools gold. Why? Let's look at the wins.

Miami - Wade didn't play.

Wash - decent win that required overtime

Charlotte - 33 wins, well below .500

Orlando - below .500 that year

Philly - 35 wins, well below .500

Chicago - a quality win

Minny - 32 wins, well below .500 that year

Det - Billups didn't play. Not only that, but Wallace, Hamilton, and Prince played fewer than 30 minutes. Wallace didn't even play 20. Detroit was resting players.

New York - 32 wins, well below .500 that year



In context, that stretch of wins is not impressive. In my opinion, it says nothing about them being a better team, or as good a team, as they would have been if they had Garbo.

Now for the next thing I want to address. I looked up the answer to one of your earlier questions:
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Fairly often. I went back and looked at the past 10 years.

2001 - Charlotte beat Miami

2003 - Boston beat Indiana (also, the other 6 seed, Portland, took Dallas to 7 games. And Orlando, an 8 seed, took Detroit to 7).

2005 - Indiana beat Boston (returned the favour from two years earlier)

2006 - Clippers beat Denver

2007 - New jersey beat Toronto - see, already not that extraordinary (Also, 8 seed Golden State won that year, too)

2009 - Dallas beat San Antonio

2010 - 7 seed San Antonio beats Dallas (I know, I know, not a 6 seed )

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What I said was put to rest. 'trane and I even exchanged PMs about it. It was dead and buried until you and Psi mysteriously decided to resurrect it, and didn't even involve anyone else to begin with. Nobody knows why you guys did, but you did.
actually, it wasn't put to rest at all, and the content of our pm's was me telling you to watch it with the insults, not an acceptance that what you did was ok. the only reason it ended was that i chose not to continue to argue with an oblivious troll.
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