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Old 02-13-2013, 07:09 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Fuck me, I'm so tired of reading athletes spew some sort of BS line like Hedo's - "I was given a medication by my trainer....I didn't know that this was a banned substance and didn't check before taking it". How lame even for Turkyglu.

Yes Stern, the NBA is a special sport where the athletes don't need to take drugs. Hedo's timing couldn't have been better for Stern
Yeah, and I also thought that pill given to me saturday night was a cheeseburger, boy was I wrong.

In all honesty, was this the worst signing in Raptors history?
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:20 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:27 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Reporter: Hedo,do you have any comments about testing positive for a banned PED?
Turkoglu: Drug!
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:44 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Surely he was taking PDD, performance dehancing drugs, not PED
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:15 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I feel bad for athletes. Pro's that is. Yes they are paid well, insanely well. However we expect the most out of them, we can't get enough. They used to play 40 game seasons, then 60, 70, now 82. Basketball at that level is a severely hard sport to play physically, its just a massive grind. But we expect them out there, night in night out, giving their all.

Now I don't know, clearly there is a morality issue in some ways, but it does in fact go BOTH ways. So HGH is going to be banned. HGH is a hormone directly involved with tissue repair in our bodies, found in highest concentration while we are growing to create new tissue throughout the entire body. Athletes who take it recover from fatigue and injury oon average in 50% the time they might without it. When combined with an anabolic steroid HGH can become a serious catalyst for the re-growth of damaged tissue. i.e. a THR (total hip replacement) can see the total recovery time cut from 8 weeks to 4 weeks for walking freely without a limp for test groups. 4 fucking weeks. How valuable is that for an injured athlete? His team?? His sponsors, the advertisers and the season ticket holders???

We are quick to pas judgement having never had to walk in another mans shoes. Hedo, I don't like for a few other reasons, but using a banned substance to try to rehab a torn appendage so he can start the season on time.... I have zero issue with.

We want thme to be at their best, always...let them fix themselves the best ways modern science has learned to fix them.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:21 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I feel bad for athletes. Pro's that is. Yes they are paid well, insanely well. However we expect the most out of them, we can't get enough. They used to play 40 game seasons, then 60, 70, now 82. Basketball at that level is a severely hard sport to play physically, its just a massive grind. But we expect them out there, night in night out, giving their all.

Now I don't know, clearly there is a morality issue in some ways, but it does in fact go BOTH ways. So HGH is going to be banned. HGH is a hormone directly involved with tissue repair in our bodies, found in highest concentration while we are growing to create new tissue throughout the entire body. Athletes who take it recover from fatigue and injury oon average in 50% the time they might without it. When combined with an anabolic steroid HGH can become a serious catalyst for the re-growth of damaged tissue. i.e. a THR (total hip replacement) can see the total recovery time cut from 8 weeks to 4 weeks for walking freely without a limp for test groups. 4 fucking weeks. How valuable is that for an injured athlete? His team?? His sponsors, the advertisers and the season ticket holders???

We are quick to pas judgement having never had to walk in another mans shoes. Hedo, I don't like for a few other reasons, but using a banned substance to try to rehab a torn appendage so he can start the season on time.... I have zero issue with.

We want thme to be at their best, always...let them fix themselves the best ways modern science has learned to fix them.
first of all, i have very basic knowledge about drugs/steriods/PED/HGH/etcetc. So my question is, if HGH helps you recover from injuries why is it banned? that doesn't make sense to me. it's not enhancing ur performance on the court or field or whatever. it's not giving you an advantage over your opponents.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:25 PM   #27 (permalink)
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well it does enhance.... in a few other ways as well...but there is a lot they dont know about it so its a drug only a doctor can prescribe in the US (not even in canada).

There are slight enhancements tough, sorry if I led you to believe there was none... you burn fat and grow lean muscle mass with nary a workout.... and when combined with another substance, it becomes a serious ctalyst

Look at Roger clemons.... dude was washing up....HGH, boom he was 30 again.
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Old 02-13-2013, 11:25 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Where can I get this HGH stuff you speak of?
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:14 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Where can I get this HGH stuff you speak of?
Any US doctor. There's a big thing supplementing normal people with HGH. Not over doing it, but adding enough that it topping you up to where you were when you were 20 kind of thing. Apparently it may increase longevity with very few side effects if any. Unproven not popular hypothesis, helps the elderly in some respects. Not being sarcastic.

As for Hedo.. has to be an accident because anyone intentionally taking steroids to bulk up could not look that soft.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:58 AM   #30 (permalink)
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thank god...i mean BC for working up that miracle trade to get him out of here
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:30 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I feel bad for athletes. Pro's that is. Yes they are paid well, insanely well. However we expect the most out of them, we can't get enough. They used to play 40 game seasons, then 60, 70, now 82. Basketball at that level is a severely hard sport to play physically, its just a massive grind. But we expect them out there, night in night out, giving their all.

Now I don't know, clearly there is a morality issue in some ways, but it does in fact go BOTH ways. So HGH is going to be banned. HGH is a hormone directly involved with tissue repair in our bodies, found in highest concentration while we are growing to create new tissue throughout the entire body. Athletes who take it recover from fatigue and injury oon average in 50% the time they might without it. When combined with an anabolic steroid HGH can become a serious catalyst for the re-growth of damaged tissue. i.e. a THR (total hip replacement) can see the total recovery time cut from 8 weeks to 4 weeks for walking freely without a limp for test groups. 4 fucking weeks. How valuable is that for an injured athlete? His team?? His sponsors, the advertisers and the season ticket holders???

We are quick to pas judgement having never had to walk in another mans shoes. Hedo, I don't like for a few other reasons, but using a banned substance to try to rehab a torn appendage so he can start the season on time.... I have zero issue with.

We want thme to be at their best, always...let them fix themselves the best ways modern science has learned to fix them.
I'd be inclined to agree with you.... IF he was busted for taking HGH.

He wasn't. He was busted for Methenolone Enanthate.... aka Primobolan or "Primo".

It's a "designer steroid" used to build lean muscle. Pricey stuff too since it doesn't convert to estrogen like a lot of other drugs and minimizes the potential for damage to your liver, blood pressure and cholesterol levels.

Bonds and A-Rod used this stuff along with testosterone to build themselves up. They actually knew how to train though and took their craft seriously. Unlike Hedo lol.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:36 AM   #32 (permalink)
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yes, but I guess my angle was that he was using it to rehab a wrecked joint.

Anyhow, its a tough issue.
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:35 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I'd be inclined to agree with you.... IF he was busted for taking HGH.

He wasn't. He was busted for Methenolone Enanthate.... aka Primobolan or "Primo".

It's a "designer steroid" used to build lean muscle. Pricey stuff too since it doesn't convert to estrogen like a lot of other drugs and minimizes the potential for damage to your liver, blood pressure and cholesterol levels.

Bonds and A-Rod used this stuff along with testosterone to build themselves up. They actually knew how to train though and took their craft seriously. Unlike Hedo lol.
What about Lebron? Any chance he might have been taking something?
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:59 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Funny. He has nothing to show for it lol.
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:07 AM   #35 (permalink)
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sometimes i think about that whole Hedo free agency offseason and how ridiculous it all was. To think he was supposedly the most coveted free agent of that year. I guess this pretty much completes the fall from grace.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:27 PM   #36 (permalink)
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From my understanding there are 4 random drug tests throughout the NBA season. I feel that the fourth test always happens a few weeks before playoffs, and so the players are pretty much off the hook when it comes to surprise testing and slip through (see Rashard Lewis and his suspension the season after the Orlando finals playoff run in 2009). I've also noticed that players are a whole lot rougher during playoff time, even in the NHL, but that's just me.

Now there are types of drugs and enhancements to help players from all sports to cope with nagging injuries and pains (Kobe's knee) but where do we draw the line? This pretty much shows that the NBA understands that nobody cares about Hedo anymore, so just show the public how strict we are when a player is guilty of taking the wrong substance instead of recommended ones.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:49 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:00 PM   #38 (permalink)
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What about Lebron? Any chance he might have been taking something?
Anything's possible... but he's always had a big frame.

Now if a guy like Durant blew up and gained 30-40lbs I might have some questions lol...

On a related note, it makes me wonder if Bosh "supplemented" back in his last season with us. He came in a lot bigger than he had ever been before (or since) and was at his most dominant.
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:16 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:42 PM   #40 (permalink)
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but there is a lot they dont know about it so its a drug only a doctor can prescribe in the US (not even in canada).
Can you cite a source for that? I have heard that HGH can be prescribed by a doctor, off-label or otherwise, in Canada. Neither Somatropin nor HGH are mentioned anywhere in the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act.
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