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jeffb 06-02-2012 07:43 PM

Harden or Westbrook
 
Who would you keep?

Quote:

The Thunder could soon be in a position where they are unable to retain their entire core due to financial constraints.

James Harden will become eligible for a contract extension this offseason and would become a restricted free agent in 2013 if no deal is reached.*

Russell Westbrook signed a five-year extension with Oklahoma City last January.

Harden or Westbrook are more likely to be moved than Kevin Durant.

ESPN's Chris Broussard asked 22 NBA executives which player they would trade if they had to for financial reasons. Fourteen of the executives replied that they would trade Westbrook, while eight said Harden.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...Over_Westbrook

Ammo 06-02-2012 07:53 PM

I'm assuming many chose Harden because he would be signable for less than Westbrook's whopping contract?

Dark Knight 06-02-2012 07:56 PM

I would sign Harden solely on the fact that Westbrook could be replaced by a pass-first type point guard to feed KD and the rest of the Thunder's scorers, a Steve Nash or Andre Miller kind of guy. Harden brings a lot to the table for the Thunder, and I think his presence off the bench would be missed too much.

carp 06-02-2012 07:58 PM

If I'm the Raps, I'd keep Westbrook. He'd be amazing here.

Bill Haverchuck 06-02-2012 07:59 PM

A couple of comments:

1 - this is the type of question you address after the playoffs, once you see how far the current core can get, and who is more important in getting the team there.

2 -related to point # 1: this is about more than just Westbrook versus Harden, because keeping Harden might be cheaper, which then enables OKC to keep Ibaka and Perkins. If keeping that frontcourt together is a big part of future success, you take that into account. Keeping Westbrook might not only mean you trade Harden, it might mean you are also forced to trade one of Perkins or Ibaka, because you need money to round out the roster. There is more going on here than just Westbrook versus Harden.

3- Even if Westbrook is the best player, it might be better to trade him because of the return package he nets you.

It's a tough call until you know if Westbrook is a huge part of winning you the title. OKC still might win it all this year.

Edit - for example, suppose okc goes to the final and westbrook goes insane and wins finals mvp. That will make it very hard to trade him.

Bill Haverchuck 06-02-2012 08:04 PM

Regardless of who they trade, they should be looking to get back talent on a rookie contract so that it allows them to keep Ibaka and Perkins, while still being able to fill the bench without getting destroyed by the new luxury tax regs that will be enforced soon.

jeffb 06-02-2012 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 649727)
I would sign Harden solely on the fact that Westbrook could be replaced by a pass-first type point guard to feed KD and the rest of the Thunder's scorers, a Steve Nash or Andre Miller kind of guy. Harden brings a lot to the table for the Thunder, and I think his presence off the bench would be missed too much.


He'll be starting soon imo.

Grizz 06-05-2012 11:21 PM

I don't think Harden will be much cheaper than Westbrook is now when he signs.

Nites 06-06-2012 12:41 AM

If Harden hadn't had hit that clutch three last night I doubt OKC would be in the position they are in right now.

box92 06-06-2012 01:30 AM

Harden on okc, westbrook for the raps

Dark Knight 06-06-2012 01:35 AM

Westbrook
DeRozan
Gay
Bargnani
Valanciunas

:bosh:

Metallikid 06-06-2012 05:53 AM

The article clearly states "for financial reasons". That's because anyone with half a brain can see that Westbrook is leagues ahead of Harden as a player right now, and in the future. :cookie:

Ball Don't Lie 06-06-2012 01:17 PM

Leagues ahead? No way. Is he better right now overall? Yeah. But if you're asking me who I'd want for a big game I'd take Harden. Both are improving young players, but if Westbrook doesnt make huge strides in the next 2-3 years in his decision making in the halfcourt vs good defences, I'll take Harden because his decision making is awesome and his game is improving a ton year to year as well.

This question is all dependant on Westbrooks maturity going forward. He's obviously a super talented PG who is capable of being a top 3 PG, but if he'll ever get there is a whole other question. He only holds himself back.

rapsmannn 06-06-2012 03:41 PM

well harden comes off the bench, so when he comes in he usually playing other bench players, easier to dominate when you in that position

i have to say westbrook because he brings it on defense at such a high level, runs the offense and still gets his shots with the best scorer in the nba on his side

Windex 06-06-2012 03:53 PM

looks around the NBA. there are a lot more quality PGs than SGs.
so without debating who's better I'll just say that Westbrook can be more easily replaced.

Bill Haverchuck 06-06-2012 04:20 PM

If I'm OKC management, I'm really pissed off with the Warriors for signing DeAndre Jordan to that ridiculous offer sheet that the Clippers matched.

Think about it? What will Ibaka's agent ask for, knowing what Deandre received? Shiiiiiiiit.

That's just gonna make these decisions even harder.

dfunkie1 06-06-2012 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 651245)
If I'm OKC management, I'm really pissed off with the Warriors for signing DeAndre Jordan to that ridiculous offer sheet that the Clippers matched.

Think about it? What will Ibaka's agent ask for, knowing what Deandre received? Shiiiiiiiit.

That's just gonna make these decisions even harder.

that could also work to their advantage. jordan comes at a premium because of his position. ibaka, he's not going to garner the same level of interest since starting power forwards are probably the easiest position to fill/replace in the league.

Ligeia 06-06-2012 07:38 PM

I think Harden is damned good, and Westbrook is a clear All-NBA talent. If I were absolutely forced to choose between the two, I would probably take Harden, because I like the maturity in his game. However, Westbrook is an incredible player and if OKC was ever forced to trade him, the team on the receiving end will almost certainly consider themselves quite fortunate.

If there were ever a situation where you should pay the tax to keep the team together as long as possible, I think this is it.

Dario 06-06-2012 07:49 PM

I voted for Westbrook, but I really want me some of that beard in TDot.

pzabby 06-06-2012 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ligeia (Post 651290)
I think Harden is damned good, and Westbrook is a clear All-NBA talent. If I were absolutely forced to choose between the two, I would probably take Harden, because I like the maturity in his game. However, Westbrook is an incredible player and if OKC was ever forced to trade him, the team on the receiving end will almost certainly consider themselves quite fortunate.

If there were ever a situation where you should pay the tax to keep the team together as long as possible, I think this is it.

see this is why I think a tougher tax structure didn't bring the league closer, but farther. There are now fewer teams that can afford the tax, and those who can't, if they do end up building a good team, can only keep it for a couple of years. only teams like L.A, N.Y (if they ever get a good team), now brooklyn, miami, etc can afford the tax. hell, I''d put toronto there because of our deep deep pockets, especially with rogers now our owner.

what happened to rogers buying mlse's shares btw?


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