Harden Turns Down 4 year 52M Dollar Extension
Old 10-27-2012, 02:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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James Harden turned down a four-year, $52 million contract extension offer from the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Harden is seeking a maximum-level deal worth $60 million over four years.

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Old 10-27-2012, 03:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If there's no deal, they need to look to trade the guy. Don't need the distraction and he could bring back a nice haul.
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Old 10-27-2012, 03:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Really? Hes on a team with a bright future & he turned down a great deal... hes gonna look back on that and regret it.
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Old 10-27-2012, 03:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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guess he isnt taking a paycut after all
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They'll sign him next summer to that max contract.
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The question is, is Harden worth a max contract and harming the flexibility of that squad? I think it's somewhat obvious that they're going to end up amenstying Perkins, likely at the end of the summer, but with the new metrics in place, a max contract could really make it difficult for this team to add key pieces every year.
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Old 10-27-2012, 03:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Harden is good, but max contract? I don't know. They've already got the two big offensive pieces in Durant and Westbrook. Why not trade him for some smaller, but key players.
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Harden is good, but max contract? I don't know. They've already got the two big offensive pieces in Durant and Westbrook. Why not trade him for some smaller, but key players.
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. Why not trade him for some smaller, but key players.
I hear Nate Robinson is available
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Old 10-27-2012, 04:14 PM   #10 (permalink)
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The question is, is Harden worth a max contract and harming the flexibility of that squad? I think it's somewhat obvious that they're going to end up amenstying Perkins, likely at the end of the summer, but with the new metrics in place, a max contract could really make it difficult for this team to add key pieces every year.
I wonder if OKC can really afford to do that with the Lakers having Gasol and D12 now.... Perkins may not have been that useful against MIA but he's a guy you want to have guarding opposing bigs in the playoffs.
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The question is, is Harden worth a max contract and harming the flexibility of that squad? I think it's somewhat obvious that they're going to end up amenstying Perkins, likely at the end of the summer, but with the new metrics in place, a max contract could really make it difficult for this team to add key pieces every year.
Perry Jones could be a wildcard in this situation. If I'm the Thunder, I'd prefer to get Perry some minutes and see what he can do before I move anybody.

I think your opening question is a good one. But I also think that question might have to be asked about Ibaka's contract, depending on what Perry Jones does this year. If the drop-off in production and impact on the game is not that significant when Perry is playing, Ibaka's contract could be the real dead weight. If Perry Jones plays really well, I think they might keep Perkins longer and look to move Ibaka. You can have Jones and Perkins for the price of Ibaka.

Really, there are a number of things to consider here, including the point you made earlier about Harden bringing back a good "haul". If the "haul" is too good to refuse, then OKC may just have to do it regardless of the frontcourt situation.
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It's a shame. The market inflates people's expectations because of a few shitty contracts that GMs have to hand out because there's a minimum salary level and someone has to get paid. I don't know about you guys but in my mind eight million isn't that big a loss when you're already getting fifty-two. I'd trade his ass but quick; show him that when you're on a team that has a real shot at winning the 'chip you might *gasp* actually have to take one for the team to keep that chance. I'd like to see an OKC reporter ask Harden if he's as good a player as Durant or Westbrook and when he says no ask him why he thinks he deserves to get paid like them.

Sign him to the max extension (because someone else will anyways) and after this season ship his ass to Phoenix for Gortat and Scola. Thunder get better; Suns think they're getting better and Harden can spend his tenure outside looking in. Everybody wins (sort of).

Or y'know, a hard cap would be nice.

PS. I can't check on the Trade Machine 100% since Scola can't move until the end of the season but the Salaries look pretty close. The Suns would possibly have to throw someone else small in.
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Really? Hes on a team with a bright future & he turned down a great deal... hes gonna look back on that and regret it.
Agreed....he's a good player and everything but when he had a chance to convince everbody he's a max contract player and possibly someone you could build your team around,he failed miserably(in the NBA Finals). OKC can replace him easily. The contract offered by the Thunder was fair.
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It's a shame. The market inflates people's expectations because of a few shitty contracts that GMs have to hand out because there's a minimum salary level and someone has to get paid. I don't know about you guys but in my mind eight million isn't that big a loss when you're already getting fifty-two. I'd trade his ass but quick; show him that when you're on a team that has a real shot at winning the 'chip you might *gasp* actually have to take one for the team to keep that chance. I'd like to see an OKC reporter ask Harden if he's as good a player as Durant or Westbrook and when he says no ask him why he thinks he deserves to get paid like them.

Sign him to the max extension (because someone else will anyways) and after this season ship his ass to Phoenix for Gortat and Scola. Thunder get better; Suns think they're getting better and Harden can spend his tenure outside looking in. Everybody wins (sort of).

Or y'know, a hard cap would be nice.

PS. I can't check on the Trade Machine 100% since Scola can't move until the end of the season but the Salaries look pretty close. The Suns would possibly have to throw someone else small in.
If the Thunder trade Harden, they're probably looking to get cheap talent/picks in return so that they can pull off the balancing act of surrounding Durant and Westbrook with talent while still paying little tax. That's why a rumoured deal for Kidd-Gilchrist and filler made some sense.

If they have to trade him, I think the Thunder want to dump Harden on a team that can absorb the salary and send back cheap talent. Taking back equal salary, or a significant chunk of it, for Harden, does not help OKC in most scenarios. They might as well just keep Harden and continue to play Perkins and Ibaka, rather than take Gortat and Scola.

Sure, Gortat and Scola might be useful players, but the Thunder's problem is the balancing act of making sure Durant and Westbrook have a good supporting cast each year without having to spend in the tax. Gortat and Scola don't help them avoid the tax. It just further complicates the issue of who to keep or get rid of in the frontcourt, which is something they might already have to address if Perry Jones plays well during his rookie year.
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Old 10-27-2012, 05:48 PM   #15 (permalink)
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they can still match whatever he might get this summer, just as indy matched portland's max for hibbert. it lets harden get more money at the front end and will save the thunder from being on the hook for max raises, saving them cash, and cap/tax space, over the deal.
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:20 PM   #16 (permalink)
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lol, does he want a title or what? I would take that deal ina heartbeat, does that 8M matter that much to him?
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:59 PM   #17 (permalink)
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lol, does he want a title or what? I would take that deal ina heartbeat, does that 8M matter that much to him?
maybe he wants to start?

regarding the money, most player—and seemingly their agents, friends and family—live in a bizarro world where unimaginably massive bags of gold fall from the sky.

But i will say that without a no-trade agreement, players can forfeit for a team they may be traded/sold from at any time.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:42 PM   #18 (permalink)
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There is no doubt in my mind that he wants to start & he is worth max money.

If he starts on any team in the league he averages 20+ppg 5rpg 5apg those are max numbers
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I believe there was an article surfacing during playoffs time how OKC could not afford to resign both Ibaka and Harden with the addition of Westbrooks and Durants contract. Personally these athletes make a ton of money already so I dont think a max deal will mean much, it just shows to us what type of player Harden is, one who seeks to make money than win a championship. He's in a very good situation right now and OKC should try to keep their core of Westbrook, Durant, Harden and Ibaka. As mentioned he did fail miserably in the finals and teams will take that into account. However there will always be one team who will overpay for Harden and OKC might fall in and resign in, thus letting Ibaka go unless he takes a huge pay deduction

Just a bias trade for the Raptors
Calderon, Ross, Gray and Ed Davis for Harden and Perkins. Get it DONE BC
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OKC in talks to trade Harden to Houston in a package that includes Kevin Martin according to ESPN
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