The Great Carmelo Debate
Old 03-08-2011, 07:08 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Read More: The great Carmelo debate: Do basketball advanced-box-score stats really work? - By Dave Johns - Slate Magazine

In his first few games with the New York Knicks, Carmelo Anthony has been everything everyone expected him to be. To admirers, he's putting up the numbers of a legitimate superstar: about 25 points and seven rebounds a game. Detractors see a different Melo: a ball hog who's shooting a meager 42 percent from the field. "I think what Carmelo does is, the more players you have guarding him, the more he wants to shoot. Which is the opposite of what you're supposed to do," says economist Dave Berri, author of several books on sports statistics and player evaluation.

In the run-up to the NBA trading deadline, Berri told the Wall Street Journal that if the Knicks sold the farm to bring in Carmelo, they would win "roughly 29 games over a full year." After seeing which players were actually involved in the deal, he said the team might win 50.* A lot of people thought that sounded off. New York Times stats guru Nate Silver argued that, on the contrary, Melo is "the ultimate team player" because his offensive game draws defenders and allows his teammates to get more wide-open shots, boosting their field goal percentage. Carmelo's value, Silver and other analysts said, was spilling over his own stat line and into the box scores of his teammates.
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Old 03-08-2011, 11:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I've never felt Carmelo was worth the hype. Dude pounds the ball and rarely shoots over 45%. Routinely scores between 1-1.5 points per shot. Doesn't move the ball. Most overrated defender in the game. I just don't get it.

I still say the Knicks are out in the first round.
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Old 03-08-2011, 11:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think a good deal of any kind of Melo effect can be attributed to George Karl. The question will be whether the mustache can change his beloved system to gain a similar effect.
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Old 03-09-2011, 12:32 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
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No way. NY beatin Miami in first round. Miami gonna be even worse in the playofffs than they are in the regular season.
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Old 03-12-2011, 01:06 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I can't see NY passing the Heat in the playoffs. NY still can't play defense.
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Old 03-12-2011, 08:40 PM   #7 (permalink)
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And the heat still cant close games. Ny's offense is waaay superior than Miami's. Plus NY has a decent bench, and role players.
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