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HugoBoss 03-16-2011 08:36 PM

Grant Hill’s Response to Jalen Rose
 
This was about Jalen Rose's saying that Duke recruited only black players he considered to be Uncle Toms in the Fab 5 documentary

Quote:

It was a sad and somewhat pathetic turn of events, therefore, to see friends narrating this interesting documentary about their moment in time and calling me a bitch and worse, calling all black players at Duke “Uncle Toms” and, to some degree, disparaging my parents for their education, work ethic and commitment to each other and to me. I should have guessed there was something regrettable in the documentary when I received a Twitter apology from Jalen before its premiere. I am aware Jalen has gone to some length to explain his remarks about my family in numerous interviews, so I believe he has some admiration for them.

In his garbled but sweeping comment that Duke recruits only “black players that were ‘Uncle Toms,’ ” Jalen seems to change the usual meaning of those very vitriolic words into his own meaning, i.e., blacks from two-parent, middle-class families. He leaves us all guessing exactly what he believes today.
Quote:

My teammates at Duke — all of them, black and white — were a band of brothers who came together to play at the highest level for the best coach in basketball. I know most of the black players who preceded and followed me at Duke. They all contribute to our tradition of excellence on the court.

It is insulting and ignorant to suggest that men like Johnny Dawkins (coach at Stanford), Tommy Amaker (coach at Harvard), Billy King (general manager of the Nets), Tony Lang (coach of the Mitsubishi Diamond Dolphins in Japan), Thomas Hill (small-business owner in Texas), Jeff Capel (former coach at Oklahoma and Virginia Commonwealth), Kenny Blakeney (assistant coach at Harvard), Jay Williams (ESPN analyst), Shane Battier (Memphis Grizzlies) and Chris Duhon (Orlando Magic) ever sold out their race.

To hint that those who grew up in a household with a mother and father are somehow less black than those who did not is beyond ridiculous. All of us are extremely proud of the current Duke team, especially Nolan Smith. He was raised by his mother, plays in memory of his late father and carries himself with the pride and confidence that they instilled in him.

The sacrifice, the effort, the education and the friendships I experienced in my four years are cherished. The many Duke graduates I have met around the world are also my “family,” and they are a special group of people. A good education is a privilege.
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I caution my fabulous five friends to avoid stereotyping me and others they do not know in much the same way so many people stereotyped them back then for their appearance and swagger. I wish for you the restoration of the bond that made you friends, brothers and icons.

I am proud of my family. I am proud of my Duke championships and all my Duke teammates. And, I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five.
source: Grant Hill's Response to Jalen Rose - NYTimes.com

'trane 03-16-2011 08:46 PM

as a michigan wolverines fan, it's tough to see jalen rose get so thoroughly schooled by grant hill.

Acie 03-16-2011 08:54 PM

For Jalen


HugoBoss 03-16-2011 08:55 PM

for those interested, this was Jalen Rose standing by and defending his comments:


Belsius 03-16-2011 08:56 PM

Quote:

I am proud of my family. I am proud of my Duke championships and all my Duke teammates. And, I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five.
So sweet

Dark Knight 03-17-2011 01:02 AM

Owned.

Claudius 03-17-2011 10:23 AM

I always liked Hill. The guy had the tools to be a HOFer in this league if it wasn't for his injuries and even the way he left Detroit was semi-shady (according to some) but he's become a real class act.

I would've loved to have seen him sign here when he was a FA a few years ago.

Benzo 03-17-2011 10:45 AM

Smackdown

If it was in a forum

/thread

Superjudge 03-17-2011 01:08 PM

one of the mods SHOULD have closed this right after his last sentence....

done and done.

'trane 03-17-2011 01:20 PM

i just watched the jalen/jimmy king video. am i wrong to think that after all that rambling, their point is that duke goes after players that will buy in to their system and not play like a bunch of individuals when they compete? and that this is somehow wrong?

Superjudge 03-17-2011 01:52 PM

I didn't see it all, but did Jalen say this now, or when he was 17???

powerfulpanda 03-17-2011 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 520660)
I didn't see it all, but did Jalen say this now, or when he was 17???

he said this now, saying thats how he felt back then

NaturallyStoned 03-17-2011 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 520660)
I didn't see it all, but did Jalen say this now, or when he was 17???

He said it now but i thought it was pretty clear that it was a detailed and powerful statement on his thinking at the time. I'm sure a lot of kids growing up in his situation feel the same way, and who the hell am i to pass judgement? Anyway, while his phrasing might have been a bit off, i thought grown-up Jalen came off as being respectful of Hill, Laetner et al. As a result, i'm somewhat surprised by the controversy this has generated.

LX 03-17-2011 02:30 PM

The controversy would probably not exist were it not for the use of a term that Jalen had to know was combustive. It's entirely reasonable to recognize that it was a 17 year old that held the thoughts originally. But the current Jalen cannot step away from the idea of himself being a victim at every step along his career to have the grace to firmly back away from the thoughts he held at that time. And that's pretty sad.

TORaptor4Ever 03-17-2011 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 520600)
I always liked Hill. The guy had the tools to be a HOFer in this league if it wasn't for his injuries and even the way he left Detroit was semi-shady (according to some) but he's become a real class act.

I would've loved to have seen him sign here when he was a FA a few years ago.

Same here. :sigh:

AP we miss you!!!!!!!!!!! 03-17-2011 06:06 PM

What Jalen said about Duke is sorta true.
They only changed their recruiting habits the last decade. Before that it was all whites with like 3 or 4 black guys. Duke was probably one of the last college teams that still reminded people of the 50's. By that I mean they consistently had a all white, or near to a all white roster. Theres nothing wrong with that I guess. But It might urk some people in a wrong way I guess.

ReRoaR 03-17-2011 09:35 PM

Chris Webber should have called a time out before Jalen started saying this shit.

RaptorsandBuckeye FaN 03-17-2011 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReRoaR (Post 520766)
Chris Webber should have called a time out before Jalen started saying this shit.

LOL

Nice one.

Superjudge 03-18-2011 01:00 AM

meh. if thats what he thought when he was 17 fine.

he's just being honest.

Barracuda 03-18-2011 01:16 AM

Rosebud.


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