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Old 12-09-2011, 08:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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"Due to the sabotaging of the LA/NO trade by david stern, and following in the footsteps of my athlete brethern Metta World Peace and Chad Ochocinco, I'm changing my last name to "Stern's Bi#&h" #effectiveimmediately"
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Old 12-09-2011, 08:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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the players need to calm down. The lockout is over. He's your boss again. Suck it up and go buy a new Ferrari or something. He can fine you for damaging league's rep and he should.
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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apparantely there's a bunch of players now that aren't gonna report to training camp in protest
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apparantely there's a bunch of players now that aren't gonna report to training camp in protest
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:14 PM   #6 (permalink)
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apparantely there's a bunch of players now that aren't gonna report to training camp in protest
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:16 PM   #7 (permalink)
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it's not even a witty tweet.... I can't stand cheap humour. Go to training camp granny danger, stern will make you anyways.
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
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apparantely there's a bunch of players now that aren't gonna report to training camp in protest
holy Jebus...SO much fucking whining in this league...getting intolerable
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
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the players need to calm down.
no...the players need to do this


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Old 12-09-2011, 12:48 PM   #10 (permalink)
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let um boycott. No pay.
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:18 PM   #11 (permalink)
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holy Jebus...SO much fucking whining in this league...getting intolerable
i'm on the players side but i do think not reporting to training camp is absolutely the wrong way to go about this.

listen, in life you can choose where you want to work. your boss cannot dictate that. so if ur a free agent, whats wrong with signing wherever you want to play. as we're seeing with teams dangling odom, gasol, amare, etc, these teams are looking out for whats best for the team, so i have no problem with players that are looking out for their own best interest. afterall, it is a business and you should do what's best for you and no one else.

the situation here with CP is that he's an expiring and we all know he's not resigning. So at least NO can get something in return and anything is better than nothing. the owners are complaining about superstars going to big markets, but its the big markets that can take on the risk of trading for paul and hope he signs and extension with them. if the situation today was a small market that offered the best deal and the trade went thru and paul leaves next year as a free agent and signs where he wants to play. is that what the owners wnat? there's always going to be a discrepancy between big and small markets. by vetoing this trade, instead of players choosing where they want to play, its now the owners that get to choose where certain players get to play? that is wrong.

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Old 12-09-2011, 01:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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so how much you think this guy is getting fined? lol
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:29 PM   #13 (permalink)
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holy Jebus...SO much fucking whining in this league...getting intolerable
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listen, in life you can choose where you want to work. your boss cannot dictate that.
not really true. people get transferred to branch offices all the time. you can choose to quit and go to a new employer, but quite often people don't get a choice within the organization, they can take the transfer or go find a new employer.

in the nba there is one employer - the league. everyone is in a union that is collectivized around that employer. the teams are effectively branch offices. if players want to quit and go to a new employer, they are welcome to void their contracts and go and work in europe or china or whatever. but as long as they are nba players, they report to one single employer, and just like in real life (as opposed to the lifelong fantasy camp of rich athletes) they can get transferred, according to rules specified by that owner.
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not really true. people get transferred to branch offices all the time. you can choose to quit and go to a new employer, but quite often people don't get a choice within the organization, they can take the transfer or go find a new employer.

in the nba there is one employer - the league. everyone is in a union that is collectivized around that employer. the teams are effectively branch offices. if players want to quit and go to a new employer, they are welcome to void their contracts and go and work in europe or china or whatever. but as long as they are nba players, they report to one single employer, and just like in real life (as opposed to the lifelong fantasy camp of rich athletes) they can get transferred, according to rules specified by that owner.
true. however this is basically like vetoing a free agent signing really. i can understand if a player has many years left on his contract and refuses to play until he gets traded to a preferred destination. and then the league comes down and says we aren't going to let players run this league and dictate where they want to play. (where was stern when the vince Carter thing happened?)

but now you have a situation where paul now is force to play out his last year in new orleans and when he leaves, the hornets are going to be in worse shape than the cavs when lebron left. i don't see how this is benefitial for the league.
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Old 12-09-2011, 02:44 PM   #16 (permalink)
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first - it's not like vetoing free agency because the lakers could never have gotten paul in free agency. i'll get to this in a minute.

second - nola can still trade him. preferably for something that is actually a good deal, and not something that is forced upon them.

i don't think the hornets will be worse off with flexibility than loaded with aging players, none of whom will get you to the promised land, or even close. they need to be sold and rebuilt. odom, scola and martin aren't going to help that. tons of cap space and good prospects/picks might.



and i think the league is better off. here's the deal. if you are a free agent-to-be, and you look around the nba landscape and see that there are only a few teams with cap space in the next off season, and you don't want to play in those cities, you can force a trade to a team of your choice, thus skipping free agency and circumventing the rules around free agency and the salary cap. you have all the power and you can control your destination. but what does that do to the league? what does that do to any of the teams that aren't lakers, celtics, knicks, and a couple of others? it means that leverage is in the players hands and the return you can get on a guy that publicly demands a trade to a specific team drops dramatically. the salary cap is avoided, small market teams will only get 50 cents on the dollar for their superstars, and the big teams can acquire all the talent without having to clear any cap space, without having to pay the real market price, and without ever rebuilding.

to me, that's exactly what the league doesn't want. you might as well just create a 5 team champions league and make the rest of the teams division 2.

and i think that's what stern is reacting to as well. it's not just that the trade is lop-sided, it's that the rules that are in there around salary cap become meaningless for select teams and the power is transferred to players such that whenever free agency is pending they force their owners' hands, destroy leverage and value, hand success to big markets, and create even more disparity. i don't see how anyone could support that.
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in any business if you have leverage legally your gonna exercise it. that's just smart business. so the league needs to find a better way to eliminate the leverage a player has in a situation like this instead of it always coming down to stern having the final say. it's gonna be tough to come up with a solution tho
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Old 12-09-2011, 03:07 PM   #18 (permalink)
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i'm on the players side but i do think not reporting to training camp is absolutely the wrong way to go about this.

listen, in life you can choose where you want to work. your boss cannot dictate that. so if ur a free agent, whats wrong with signing wherever you want to play. as we're seeing with teams dangling odom, gasol, amare, etc, these teams are looking out for whats best for the team, so i have no problem with players that are looking out for their own best interest. afterall, it is a business and you should do what's best for you and no one else.

the situation here with CP is that he's an expiring and we all know he's not resigning. So at least NO can get something in return and anything is better than nothing. the owners are complaining about superstars going to big markets, but its the big markets that can take on the risk of trading for paul and hope he signs and extension with them. if the situation today was a small market that offered the best deal and the trade went thru and paul leaves next year as a free agent and signs where he wants to play. is that what the owners wnat? there's always going to be a discrepancy between big and small markets. by vetoing this trade, instead of players choosing where they want to play, its now the owners that get to choose where certain players get to play? that is wrong.
I hate it when people compare the NBA to a regular job. Listen there getting paid millions for playing a game so they shouldn't be complaining about things like playing in certain cities. They make there money because of the fans wanting to watch the sport, they shouldn't complain to get moved. They should all shut the fuck up and do there jobs, the ones there all paid millions for. NBA players are really starting to piss me off, I hate what the sport has become, its more of a soap opera than anything. And the send a horrible message to the people and the next generation. "I'm rich so I can act like a whiny bitch that's above everyone else, even the fans that made me what I am and the bosses who pay me." I hope granger gets fined like 1 mill for this.
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Old 12-09-2011, 03:15 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Perhaps this might be an ideal time for the NBA to think about moving back into Vancouver. Move the Hornets there and let them start fresh the way that they did when they were an expansion team (hopefully with better leadership this time).

Presumably there would be enough interest there for a group or individual to be wiling to buy the team with or without CP3. You'd have the added benefit of attracting all of those former Sonic fans too.
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Old 12-09-2011, 03:27 PM   #20 (permalink)
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granger should stfu
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