This is good news- re amnesty
Old 11-28-2011, 03:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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NBA collective-bargaining agreement closes loophole on amnesty players such as Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas, Baron Davis - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

Good to know the contenders over the cap wont have a shot at picking up a potential key piece being amnestied.
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Old 11-28-2011, 05:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hahaha... I can see the Heat and Lakers gnashing their teeth right now. B-Diddy would have been scary on either of those teams.

This is going to be VERY interesting.... so basically only "bottom feeder teams" that are under the cap are going to have a chance to bid on these guys at a deeply discounted price.
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Old 11-28-2011, 07:22 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Hahaha... I can see the Heat and Lakers gnashing their teeth right now. B-Diddy would have been scary on either of those teams.

This is going to be VERY interesting.... so basically only "bottom feeder teams" that are under the cap are going to have a chance to bid on these guys at a deeply discounted price.
I bet you close to 20 teams are under the cap.
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I bet none of those '20' are contenders.
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:49 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I bet none of those '20' are contenders.
And not all of them are bottom feeders either.
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very happy to hear this.

when people were talking in another thread about it i was thinking like "right, so we haven't got the system changes we all wanted AND now contending teams are going to be able to restructure their team with bargain vets!?"
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Old 11-28-2011, 09:40 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Yeah, this was what I was outlining in the "lockout is over" thread yesterday.

When a player is amnestied, they go on waivers. Room teams can bid on their contract, and the winning bid gets their contract, but only pays (in salary AND cap hit) what they bid, and the rest is paid (in salary) by their old team (who of course have no cap hit). I believe the bidding teams will not be able to vary the year length of their bids, or it would be subjective as to what bid wins the player.

If the player clears waivers, then any team can sign them as a free agent. Only in this case would the top teams be able to sign these players, and only in this case would the player then earn more than what they are already guaranteed. The player could then sign with a room team (if the room team wanted to sign them for less years than they would have had to if they bid, for example) or with one of the over-the-cap teams. Those teams could use the minimum salary exception or the MLE, BAE, or tax-MLE (whichever they have available to them) to sign that player.
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I like this, no more of the top teams getting better now
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Old 11-28-2011, 10:02 AM   #9 (permalink)
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For the record, they are calling it a "secondary waivers," to differentiate from ordinary waivers where a team would simply take on the waived player's entire contract, with no bidding process. Players amnestied will still go through primary waivers, but I doubt anyone will claim any of these contracts in entirety, so the interesting bit happens when they clear primary waivers and slip to secondary waivers.

It would be awesome if the league introduced secondary waivers for non-amnesty waived players as well.
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For the record, they are calling it a "secondary waivers," to differentiate from ordinary waivers where a team would simply take on the waived player's entire contract, with no bidding process. Players amnestied will still go through primary waivers, but I doubt anyone will claim any of these contracts in entirety, so the interesting bit happens when they clear primary waivers and slip to secondary waivers.

It would be awesome if the league introduced secondary waivers for non-amnesty waived players as well.
well if you can get some of these players to your team for a couple mill, you probably are going to go for them, i dont expect many of the good players slipping through the bidding process
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Old 11-28-2011, 10:51 AM   #11 (permalink)
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well if you can get some of these players to your team for a couple mill, you probably are going to go for them, i dont expect many of the good players slipping through the bidding process
Agreed, in general. But contract length may be a limiter. Do you really want to pay Arenas for the next 3 years, even if it is only at the MLE level of pay? Especially if you are a team under the cap - the sort of team that generally wants some maturity and leadership from any vets you might bring in.

I bet at least one or two amnesty guys slip through waivers. Especially depending on how the details of secondary waivers turn out - that is one of the items on the B-list that still needs to be hammered out.
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Old 11-28-2011, 12:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I expect some to definitely slip through.. this is where the agent and player comes into the equation. What prevents agents from calling teams and saying their guy is only going to play for certain teams so don't touch him - either he won't play or I'll stop my other guys from signing with your team? Or players publicly stating they will only play for certain teams and they won't mind sitting out a shortened season. All these things have happened before and I can see an accelerated case developing here. On paper this secondary waivers sounds like a great idea but behind the scenes the politicking is the same as before - probably more so.
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