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Old 04-30-2011, 05:23 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Based on one good season as oppposed to Bosh who's been playing at this level for 5+ seasons?

To each their own.
Hey I am kind of basing it on if I were to assemble a team. Is Bosh the Pf I would want, not really, and its not that I disrespect his ability. I think he is going to get close to 20 and 10 on a team that isn't requiring him to create or be the focus of the offense. Thats not a dig. He is finding opportunities to score from a lower position on the totem pole, its not easy. For me he just lacks qualities that I personally think are musts for my ideal PF.

(And keep in mind I'm not saying he is the worst at these abilities either) He doesn't have a great shot blocking or paint presence. I grew up watching Bad boys era basketball, And Bosh has never had that kind of factor to his game. He isn't mean and he isn't willing to physically contest people in the paint.

My other knock on him is that he isn't clutch. I am sure his numbers are better this year, for obvious reasons. But when he was here his ability to close out a tight game just did not exist.

Alderidge's game is very similar to Bosh's. I admit his mean factor is on par with Bosh, but those other categories, I think he may have slim advantage. I terms of shot blocking and be a better option to close out games
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And the bolded statement above is one of the most ridiculous that I've read in some time.
Dearest TORap,

Next time you feel compelled to call me (or another user) condescending, which you've done on multiple occasions, please remember what you have posted in the past.

To be clear, if someone thinks another statement is ridiculous, I have no problem with them saying that. They're just saying what they think. It's not the issue. The issue is you complaining about me while behaving in the same manner that you complain about.

Oh, and I find it particularly amusing considering you've been complaining about "hypocrisy" in another thread.

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Hey I am kind of basing it on if I were to assemble a team. Is Bosh the Pf I would want, not really, and its not that I disrespect his ability. I think he is going to get close to 20 and 10 on a team that isn't requiring him to create or be the focus of the offense. Thats not a dig. He is finding opportunities to score from a lower position on the totem pole, its not easy. For me he just lacks qualities that I personally think are musts for my ideal PF.

(And keep in mind I'm not saying he is the worst at these abilities either) He doesn't have a great shot blocking or paint presence. I grew up watching Bad boys era basketball, And Bosh has never had that kind of factor to his game. He isn't mean and he isn't willing to physically contest people in the paint.

My other knock on him is that he isn't clutch. I am sure his numbers are better this year, for obvious reasons. But when he was here his ability to close out a tight game just did not exist.

Alderidge's game is very similar to Bosh's. I admit his mean factor is on par with Bosh, but those other categories, I think he may have slim advantage. I terms of shot blocking and be a better option to close out games
nice post, and I can agree to a great extent. But Bosh did prove to be pretty good in the clutch in his last season here. And his paint presence gets a little bit overlooked. The Sixers needed to rely on jumpshots and Bosh had a little something to do with that. All the same, it is on him that such things get overlooked - he overlooks it a bit too much himself. This seeries against Boston will definitely define him going forward. This is that defining moment that he's never really had.
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Dearest TORap,

Next time you feel compelled to call me (or another user) condescending, which you've done on multiple occasions, please remember what you have posted in the past.

To be clear, if someone thinks another statement is ridiculous, I have no problem with them saying that. They're just saying what they think. It's not the issue. The issue is you complaining about me while behaving in the same manner that you complain about.

Oh, and I find it particularly amusing considering you've been complaining about "hypocrisy" in another thread.

By all means... please elaborate. I think that I've been extremely consistent in my views of ALL players and teams. If you feel as though that isn't the case then I'd love for you to point it out.

Or you can just put me on "ignore".

No skin off my balls either way.
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By all means... please elaborate. I think that I've been extremely consistent in my views of ALL players and teams. If you feel as though that isn't the case then I'd love for you to point it out.
You didn't understand what I was implying when I mentioned the hypocrisy. You complain about condescension and then act in a similar manner. To spell it out, you called someone else's post ridiculous. It's hypocritical. I found it amusing that you were commenting about other people's hypocrisy in another thread, when you are doing it on the same day (just different area of concern).

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Old 04-30-2011, 08:35 PM   #66 (permalink)
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On the one hand, I don't think anyone is saying that Bosh sucks. I don't know why someone keeps straw-manning everyone else to perpetuate their obsession.
Yeah, definitely sounds like someone I should put on ignore.
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Old 04-30-2011, 10:00 PM   #67 (permalink)
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just please let us have a team that will garner strong enough interest for us all to forget any of the fairly ordinary players from the past. How long does that rebuilding take?
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Old 05-01-2011, 02:05 AM   #68 (permalink)
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just please let us have a team that will garner strong enough interest for us all to forget any of the fairly ordinary players from the past. How long does that rebuilding take?
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Both extremes of this debate are insane. Why can't anyone find the common ground that is obviously there? Stop acting like console fanboys.
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Both extremes of this debate are insane. Why can't anyone find the common ground that is obviously there? Stop acting like console fanboys.
Why not just end the debate all together? I mean really, both good players and we have opinions on who's better. But a day later......enough.
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Garnett is a far bigger factor in this series then Bosh could ever be.
If you shut Garnett down, he goes back to the bench and yells at the rest of the team to pick it up.
If you shut Bosh down, he goes back to the bench and cries.

Bosh is the X-Factor simply in how long it will take Garnett to beat him down into Tears.

And I'm saying all this while Garnett is my most hated player in the NBA.
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that sounds more like an EQ-factor
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You didn't understand what I was implying when I mentioned the hypocrisy. You complain about condescension and then act in a similar manner. To spell it out, you called someone else's post ridiculous. It's hypocritical. I found it amusing that you were commenting about other people's hypocrisy in another thread, when you are doing it on the same day (just different area of concern).
Lol.... I'm sorry... but some of the posts about Bosh ARE flat-out ridiculous. They're based on blind hate and not on fact. When I see posts like that I have no problem pointing them out.

If you feel as though I've made posts of a similar nature then I invite you to point them out.

Again... I've been nothing but consistent in my views from Day 1 whether we're talking about Bosh, Bargs or stars/teams in general.... and the hard data and the play on the court has supported my views.

Bosh IS a very good player whether he's in Raps uni or not.

Bargs DOESN'T offer much to our team beyond shooting the ball and his effort most nights is "questionable" when it comes to rebounding and defense.

Teams that rely on a single star DON'T go far (with very few exceptions) while teams with multiple stars and depth are the ones that win.

If you have a serious problem with any of those core views that are listed above then by all means.... argue away.
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Bosh 3-10, 7 points. Lol some x-factor....


WADE is the x-factor, not Bosh.
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Bosh 3-10, 7 points. Lol some x-factor....


WADE is the x-factor, not Bosh.
hey he put up better numbers then any other 4 or 5 in the game. Both front courts looked pretty awful threw the box score. 12 boards is big.
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the bench turned out to be the x-factor, which they have to be happy with. Better to get that than to force things with any of the big 3 - although Wade still forced a few too many shots.
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proof that they dont need Bosh to play good in order to win....
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Again... I've been nothing but consistent in my views from Day 1 whether we're talking about Bosh, Bargs or stars/teams in general.... and the hard data and the play on the court has supported my views.
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This is only true when you hold your own skewed perspective on things. For example, you're the kind of guy who starts a "to all the doubters thread" which suggests the Raps have good team that could win a lot of games, but then months later is screaming about the GM and how he built a shit team.

That's why some people around here find you frustrating. You say everybody else makes excuses, but you do a lot of that, too. TORap: "Oh, I never really liked BC, I had other reasons for starting that thread!"

I don't expect you to get it, since you're not the most self reflective person. You'll probably just continue to post "lol" and bitch about how "all the naysayers make excuses" for this and that, all the while ignoring when you do it.

Oh, and you completely missed the point I was making about Cleveland a week ago. You bitch about Cleveland's GM, yet you thought they had a team that could make the playoffs without James. The whole point is that it's funny and disingenuous when you shit all over particular GMs after you conceded that they had team that can make the playoffs even after losing , arguably, the greatest player in the league.

You're not as consistent as you think. And you're not above making some silly posts on this board. So, if you want to call others ridiculous, then don't complain about condescension. You don't have the credibility to complain about those things.

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Rondo is not better than Chris Paul. But, on behalf of the board, thanks for the lulz. That statment, the "to all the doubters thread" and the other times you jump the gun with your comments.

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This is only true when you hold your own skewed perspective on things. For example, you're the kind of guy who starts a "to all the doubters thread" which suggests the Raps have good team that could win a lot of games, but then months later is screaming about the GM and how he built a shit team.

That's why some people around here find you frustrating. You say everybody else makes excuses, but you do a lot of that, too. TORap: "Oh, I never really liked BC, I had other reasons for starting that thread!"

I don't expect you to get it, since you're not the most self reflective person. You'll probably just continue to post "lol" and bitch about how "all the naysayers make excuses" for this and that, all the while ignoring when you do it.

Oh, and you completely missed the point I was making about Cleveland a week ago. You bitch about Cleveland's GM, yet you thought they had a team that could make the playoffs without James. The whole point is that it's funny and disingenuous when you shit all over particular GMs after you conceded that they had team that can make the playoffs even after losing , arguably, the greatest player in the league.

You're not as consistent as you think. And you're not above making some silly posts on this board. So, if you want to call others ridiculous, then don't complain about condescension. You don't have the credibility to complain about those things.

P.S.

Rondo is not better than Chris Paul. But, on behalf of the board, thanks for the lulz. That statment, the "to all the doubters thread" and the other times you jump the gun with your comments.
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This is only true when you hold your own skewed perspective on things. For example, you're the kind of guy who starts a "to all the doubters thread" which suggests the Raps have good team that could win a lot of games, but then months later is screaming about the GM and how he built a shit team.

That's why some people around here find you frustrating. You say everybody else makes excuses, but you do a lot of that, too. TORap: "Oh, I never really liked BC, I had other reasons for starting that thread!"

I don't expect you to get it, since you're not the most self reflective person. You'll probably just continue to post "lol" and bitch about how "all the naysayers make excuses" for this and that, all the while ignoring when you do it.

Oh, and you completely missed the point I was making about Cleveland a week ago. You bitch about Cleveland's GM, yet you thought they had a team that could make the playoffs without James. The whole point is that it's funny and disingenuous when you shit all over particular GMs after you conceded that they had team that can make the playoffs even after losing , arguably, the greatest player in the league.

You're not as consistent as you think. And you're not above making some silly posts on this board. So, if you want to call others ridiculous, then don't complain about condescension. You don't have the credibility to complain about those things.

P.S.

Rondo is not better than Chris Paul. But, on behalf of the board, thanks for the lulz. That statment, the "to all the doubters thread" and the other times you jump the gun with your comments.
Hmm... thought I cleared up why I made the "to all the doubters" thread (which I'm amazed took on such a life of it's own). It was made because I was sick and tired of everyone pissing and moaning about how our team was playing IN THE PRE-SEASON. The comments that people were making, based on meaningless games were assinine. Let the team play REAL games in the regular season and THEN pass some judgement.

Thought that was easy enough to understand.... maybe not.

Yes, I certainly thought that the Cavs would make the playoffs without James... until Mo Williams and Jamison missed about a combined 50-60 games and Varejao missed 50-60 BY HIMSELF. The Cavs knew how to play defense with or without Lebron so it wasn't unreasonable (IMO) that they'd still squeak into a weak EC much like the Pacers ended up doing. The Bucks surprised me too. Thought that they were better than they were.

Is this the part where you tell that you're infallible and every prediction/observation that you make about the game is bang on?

I don't ever recall saying that "Rondo is better than Chris Paul".

I DO recall saying that "I prefer Rondo to Chris Paul".

Slight difference there. Paul was very good for a couple of games against the Lakers.... fell back to earth hard in the last 2 once the Lakers woke up. Should we still argue that he's one of the greatest of all time?

As for "credibility"... unless there's an NBA coach, GM or player on these boards everyone has about the same amount of that lol...

I'm more than happy to have provided you with lulz... you've provided me with more than enough over the past months (OMG IF WE HAD KOBE INSTEAD OF Bosh WE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOOOO MUCH BETTER!!).
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