Frank Vogel Needs to be Fired After Game 1
Old 05-23-2013, 12:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How do you make the mistake of not playing his best interior defender not once, but twice in the most crucial possessions of the game?

FIRE THIS MAN.
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Old 05-23-2013, 12:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Please let this happen. The Raptors would hire him instantly.
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Old 05-23-2013, 12:57 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Shouldn't you be making a thread about Battier being a terrible shooter?
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Old 05-23-2013, 01:03 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Bosh. That is all.
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Old 05-23-2013, 01:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Bosh. That is all.
Go on...

Whats Bosh going to do after Lebron makes the initial catch with 2 seconds on the clock?
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Old 05-23-2013, 01:05 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Shouldn't you be making a thread about Battier being a terrible shooter?
Hopefully this works the same way
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Old 05-23-2013, 01:07 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Terrible decisions. Only in the game because Paul George was insane.
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Old 05-23-2013, 01:10 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Battier was good for a while, back to LF
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Go on...

Whats Bosh going to do after Lebron makes the initial catch with 2 seconds on the clock?
I give up...I would have had Hibbert in.
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Please let this happen. The Raptors would hire him instantly.
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Old 05-23-2013, 01:38 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Who cares. I hate the Pacers just because Hansbrough is affiliated with the team.

And as you guys may or may not know...i hate Hansbrough and Cavs ownership group (including that lucky leprechaun son).
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Can't get called for defensive 3 seconds with 2.2 on the clock. Hibbert most definitely should've been planted in front of the rim.
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Old 05-23-2013, 05:51 AM   #13 (permalink)
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And still, he's probably the best young coach in the game and the Pacers being a good team is in large part on him. But he over-thought there and was too confident in George.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:22 AM   #15 (permalink)
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And still, he's probably the best young coach in the game and the Pacers being a good team is in large part on him. But he over-thought there and was too confident in George.
Seems Indiana inadvertently gave LBJ the lane, assuming like the TV announces (who were stating just prior) that LBJ was most likely going to drive and kick to an open man, which is what LBJ's m.o. is - and that's when he's the most dangerous. History and stats say that's what the Heat play should be. When you watch the play you can see the stutter step in LBJ where to me his body language almost seemed 'confused' that the lane was open; you could almost see hesitation as LBJ processed the situation. I'm impressed really that LBJ overcame his impulse to pass when he saw he was over played on the inbounds, opening up the lane. I would bet that 95% of the time the defensive play would have worked for Indiana but LBJ is probably one of only 2-3 players in the world to be able to recognize the situation as it was happening, then make an immediate adjustment of what he's going to do and then execute it - all done in 2.2 seconds. Indiana is the best defensive team in the league, especially on the perimeter, with Hibbert out all the Heat perimeter players are covered, Hibbert stays and you'll get a Heat player open on the perimeter - Vogel should be confident, I think it was a good gamble.

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Old 05-23-2013, 09:56 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Seems Indiana inadvertently gave LBJ the lane, assuming like the TV announces (who were stating just prior) that LBJ was most likely going to drive and kick to an open man, which is what LBJ's m.o. is - and that's when he's the most dangerous. History and stats say that's what the Heat play should be. When you watch the play you can see the stutter step in LBJ where to me his body language almost seemed 'confused' that the lane was open; you could almost see hesitation as LBJ processed the situation. I'm impressed really that LBJ overcame his impulse to pass when he saw he was over played on the inbounds, opening up the lane. I would bet that 95% of the time the defensive play would have worked for Indiana but LBJ is probably one of only 2-3 players in the world to be able to recognize the situation as it was happening, then make an immediate adjustment of what he's going to do and then execute it - all done in 2.2 seconds. Indiana is the best defensive team in the league, especially on the perimeter, with Hibbert out all the Heat perimeter players are covered, Hibbert stays and you'll get a Heat player open on the perimeter - Vogel should be confident, I think it was a good gamble.
why would he drive and kick if there's no one inside? he would just drive and score.

if they planned for a drive, they'd have Hibbert there.

it looked like Vogel simply expected George to be able to hold his ground for 1 second -- and if he did, the Heat would have a tough jumper because all of the Heat players would have someone right on top of them.

Overconfidence in his players' man to man defense. Especially considering that a nearly identical situation happened before in this game, and that a similar end of game strategy cost them one of the Atlanta games and the game 4 vs. Miami last year. Hopefully he learns from this.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:41 AM   #18 (permalink)
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why would he drive and kick if there's no one inside? he would just drive and score.

if they planned for a drive, they'd have Hibbert there.
Well history say LBJ almost always drives and kicks to the open man in these situations. And George was supposed to say in front of his man, over played, was caught and had his ankles broke. What I'm suggesting is they didn't plan for a drive but tried to force a perimeter shot - George made a mistake.

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it looked like Vogel simply expected George to be able to hold his ground for 1 second -- and if he did, the Heat would have a tough jumper because all of the Heat players would have someone right on top of them.
Absolutely agree - a contested perimeter shot from the best perimeter team? I would gamble on that

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Overconfidence in his players' man to man defense. Especially considering that a nearly identical situation happened before in this game, and that a similar end of game strategy cost them one of the Atlanta games and the game 4 vs. Miami last year. Hopefully he learns from this.
I hope so to, lesson learned? don't under estimate LBJ.

I still feel it was a good gamble.

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Old 05-23-2013, 10:48 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I think the thread saying Vogel should be fired is a little bit of an over reaction
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:49 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Who's to say Hibbert would've had any impact on the play?

I lost some respect for Vogel when he said "next time I'll leave him in" or something to that extent. Why is he saying that, to please the media and critics? Is that coaching on the fly? Stick to your plan. If that were Pops he'd tell you that's the defense he ran, the defense he wanted to run, and to go F yourself.
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