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View Poll Results: Do you think that European Basketball can reach the level of the NBA one day?
Yes, but there is still a long way for European Basketball 20 42.55%
Yes, it will happen soon 7 14.89%
No. This is never gonna happen 19 40.43%
European Basketball is already equal/better to the NBA 1 2.13%
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Old 07-01-2008, 08:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Here we can discuss everything about European Basketball, the Euroleague, European Clubs & Leagues and the relations between American and European Basketball.

And for a start what's your opinion about European basketball in general?
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Old 07-01-2008, 09:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I picked the first one, but IMO there are too many leagues and too many teams in Europe and so the elite talent isn't concentrated in one league like it is in the NBA (although maybe most of it is already on one of the Euroleague teams, please correct me if I'm wrong). Also, as long as a good majority of the best players from Europe and around the globe continue to come to the NBA, it's not going to happen. a

The speed of the game in Europe is nowhere near as fast as that of the NBA and there are just enough differences in the game that I find it hard to compare - no goaltending, zone defenses, closer three point arc, more leaniant officiating, the games and season are shorter...

That being said I enjoy watching both.

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BTW I'm just talking out of my ass and have no clue what the hell I'm actually talking about.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
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OK, let me explain how European Basketball works.

In Europe there are many countries.And each country has its domestic championship.The countries with the best championship are Spain, Greece and Italy and then we could say Russia, Isreal and then France and Germany. But there is great difference between let's say the three top championship and the French or the German.

In domestic championships there are 12-16 teams and they play twice with each other. The top 8 clubs take part in the playoffs and the 2-3-4 bottom clubs get reglected to a lower championship.Moreover, there is another domestic competition the Cup.In this competition the clubs from the two higher domestic leagues take part in a big playoff series and the best takes the cup.

Apart from the domestic leagues, the top European clubs take part in the Euroleague.24 clubs mostly from Spain,Italy and Greece take part in this competition which is the most prestigious in Europe.For more info about the Euroleague take a look here http://www.euroleague.net . The top teams of Euroleague have budgets of 30-20 million Euros and the richest teams last season were Panathinaikos and CSKA Moscow. In Euroleague there is no salary cup or draft so there are big differences between top clubs and smaller clubs.For instance, a big club has a budget of 30-20 millions and a small club may have a budget of 2-3 millions which is a great difference and makes the first group stage of the Euroleague kind of boring as in most of times you already know the winner of each game.Something must be done about it.

Euroleague led by the Spanish Jordi Bertomeu is doing everything to get stronger and become like the NBA.There has been an agreement with AEG to help Euroleague get organised better and make the arenas NBA-Style.From 2010 all participating clubs must have a home arena of at least 10,000 seats and this number is going to increase more.Furthermore, there will be major changes to the rules of the game in order to become closer to the NBA style.

Apart from the Euroleague there are some other Paneuropean league.The ULEB Cup and some FIBA Europe minor tournaments for which nobody cares.

The two biggest leagues Euroleague and the ULEB Cup are run by ULEB,the NBA of Europe.

This is the situation in Europe.Feel free to make any comments or questions.I'll be happy to hear you.

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In mid 90's there where some rumors about NBA expansion to Europe. So, ULEB started organizing a strong league in order to pretend top European clubs from joining the NBA if an expansion was to be done.The ULEB Euroleague started in 2001 and is becoming better and better since then.
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I think basketball in Europe has the ability to be just as good, but I still think its years away though. Like soccer, basketball is quickly becoming popular from a universal perspective. No where near the level of soccer, but becoming more and more popular by the day.

Give it another 5 to 10 years and then ask the question then. It might be alot closer in comparison than some may think.
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there are too many leagues and too many teams in Europe and so the elite talent isn't concentrated in one league like it is in the NBA
you are pretty right there. There are too many teams, and leagues, so it really difficult to concentrare the talent. Europe has similar population to the US if you count the countries where basketball is typical.

NBA has 30 teams.

Europe has 10 countries where basketball is played a lot with almost 20 teams each.

I think theres a long way to go for the Euroleague to be as good as the NBA and the fact that the game is played diferently makes it dificult to be compared.
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I have a dream ,that one day the top clubs around the globe (or at least Euro-America) will play in the shame league.

But still even now I want an annual game between the Euroleague champion and the NBA champion.I don't like the fact that the NBA champion is called ''World'' champion. It is just champion of the NBA, a USA league. I think that in a neutral stadium (ex. in Tokyo) and with the international rules the Euroleague champion could beat the NBA.
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I have a dream ,that one day the top clubs around the globe (or at least Euro-America) will play in the shame league.

But still even now I want an annual game between the Euroleague champion and the NBA champion.I don't like the fact that the NBA champion is called ''World'' champion. It is just champion of the NBA, a USA league. I think that in a neutral stadium (ex. in Tokyo) and with the international rules the Euroleague champion could beat the NBA.
Umm that would be reaaally difficult my friend. Anything can happend in a one game series, but still, the NBA is still to good individually and the teams that win the championship are also extremmelly good as a team.
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Nope, it'll never happen.

Euro basketball is neat, but we're talking about the NATIONAL basketball league here.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:45 PM   #10 (permalink)
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right now this wont happen but later if more poeple in europe start playing basketball at a young age they can develop into good talents and then the euro league team might and i repeat might win the game
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You know, I think that already many people like basketball and play basketball in Europe.There are some countries that are crazy about basketball (Spain,Greece,Italy,Lithuania,Serbia) and some other that do not even know what is basketball (Holland,Belgium,UK).You can't make them like it.And generally in Europe football is the king.But basketball can reach football in popularity in some way.

The point is not to make more people start playing baskeball.Many people play and like it.More than you think they do.The point is to organize an excelent league system and offer our players both the money and the quality of the game so that they do not want to leave Europe and go to the states to play ball.

That's my opinion and sorry if I wrote 2much.
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I gotta hand it to the Euro league though. They are getting more entertaining and popular by the days. And with all the players leaving NBA to go, they are starting to get pretty big.

But i still don't think it'll ever happen.
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Old 07-08-2008, 09:34 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Well, last year after the pre-season I read that the NBA teams aren't going to play against teams that play the Euroleague. The differences between good European teams and some NBA franchises aren't great no more.

About the talent concentrated in a European league ... well, if you watch the Euroleague (best/richest teams from each league) you can watch a lot of talent concentrated. Not having a salary cap makes that rich teams can get the best players at the market.
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The differences between good European teams and some NBA franchises aren't great no more.
That just isnt true. Dont let a couple preseason wins when teams are trying new things and playing their scrubs fool you. It's not even close. And europe will never have the market to steal players from the NBA because they dont have enough money to offer them and most guys want to keep their famillies in the states so their kids can go to school there, going to europe is basically starting over and most guys dont seem to want to do that unless they suck and need a paycheck.
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That just isnt true. Dont let a couple preseason wins when teams are trying new things and playing their scrubs fool you. It's not even close. And europe will never have the market to steal players from the NBA because they dont have enough money to offer them and most guys want to keep their famillies in the states so their kids can go to school there, going to europe is basically starting over and most guys dont seem to want to do that unless they suck and need a paycheck.
I have said that differences aren't great, not that there wasn't any difference. I agree that NBA teams were in pre-season, not saying that thoses games are a truly stone of touch to compare. But there is a thing you have to agree: some time ago it was almost impossible for european teams to beat the american ones, now it is just difficult. The international competitions say the same: USA team were always the winners (even with people from universities teams); right now they are the best one by one, but not by so far as previous times. As a team, even they are not the best.

When you talk about people wanting to have his families in the states, your talking about american players, right? I think there are a lot of europeans that come back after finishing their careers at the states. Dunno if someone is still there after that.

When you talk about money, if you are talking about stars (people with bigs contracts) your right. If your talking about contracts with Nike, Adidas, etc, I also think you'r right, although you should watch what the european soccer stars earn, BB isn't soccer. But there are some teams that can pay big bucks, who can they get? Players whose money comes from the basketball and not from the commercial companies. Players that aren't stars but are important for his team, although his salary doesn't say it. Remember, here there is no salary cup.

It isn't only the number of players (a few good players as much) that Europe is going to steal to the NBA, it's more about the number of players that NBA isn't going to get from Europe. The young european players can get good contracts in Europe too and they are watching some of his fellas coming back after not having many chances of success.

Maybe European teams don't achieve the NBA level, but the difference is getting smaller.
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NBA teams were preseson but European teams were preseason as well.They were both experimenting.And I think that there is no difference between the 3 best European teams and the worst NBA teams.
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NBA teams were preseson but European teams were preseason as well.They were both experimenting.And I think that there is no difference between the 3 best European teams and the worst NBA teams.
i would totally agree with that statement.
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NBA teams were preseson but European teams were preseason as well.They were both experimenting.And I think that there is no difference between the 3 best European teams and the worst NBA teams.
err ... no, European teams (at least in Spain) had begun their seasons when NBA teams came to play here. Agree with the rest.
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"Phenom Jennings to ditch college for pros"

Brandon Jennings, one of the top basketball recruits in the country, will bypass college and pursue a professional opportunity, most likely in Europe.

“Over the course of the last two months I have consulted a number of people in basketball before coming to this decision,” Jennings said in a statement released Tuesday night through his attorney, Jeff Valle. “I would like to thank the University of Arizona for their interest and support through this process.”

The 6-foot-2 point guard from Compton, Calif., had signed a letter of intent with Arizona.

Instead he is weighing “multiple offers” to join a European professional team, ideally in Italy, for one season until he becomes eligible for the 2009 NBA draft. In doing so, he becomes the first player since the NBA enacted its 19-year-old age requirement for the 2006 draft to skip college basketball.

One industry source said at least two top college recruits from the class of 2008 also are considering following Jennings’ lead overseas for next season.

“I don’t think Brandon will be it,” he said.

Jennings had said he wouldn’t make his final decision until he received his standardized test scores that would determine whether he would be eligible to compete as a freshman at Arizona. They were expected to come later this week.

Rather than wait, however, Jennings and his family have decided to sever ties with Arizona regardless of his eligibility. They are putting their full efforts into exploring professional options.

Arizona coach Lute Olson released a statement saying, “We’re disappointed in terms of Brandon’s decision, but we want to wish him the best of luck. We hope that things turn out well for him in the future.”

Sources close to the process say the Jennings camp has explored numerous options over the past six weeks and garnered multiple professional opportunities in Europe. Each would pay well into the six figures for one season of work, and the most important determination on where Jennings will sign is based on the team’s coaching staff and commitment to his development.

If Jennings isn’t comfortable with the international options, he also could take the year to work with a personal trainer and coach, most likely under the umbrella of a professional sports agent.

Also interested in Jennings, according to industry sources, are shoe companies Nike and Reebok, both of whom might tender an endorsement contract immediately.

A lightning fast point guard, Jennings was considered the No. 1 recruit in America by some scouts. He set a single-season scoring record last year at hoops powerhouse Oak Hill Academy in Virginia.

Jennings was expected to lead the Wildcats as they welcomed back their Hall of Fame coach who took last season off.

Jennings had previously said he was intrigued by the opportunity to test himself against older professional players. He believed his game would develop more quickly in that environment than college basketball.

If he does, he could start a trend of players skipping school. That would alter the NBA-NCAA partnership that had energized the collegiate game by sending top prospects to school for one year.
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i think more and more High School player will go to Europe just to get pais and after one year go over to the NBa and get paid there also
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